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  1. #551
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kissune View Post
    Even if you think this is performative nonsense, why are you here? Why do you care enough to respond to these replies if, to you, this is all just a waste of time?
    Because, while I do not typically play healer, and, therefore, am not really qualified to speak on the current status of the role, I would like the community to be better served by the dev team. I just don't see the particular idea espoused by this thread as productive, and it seems to me to be more about whining to people who already agree with you.

    Therefore, I suggested an alternative idea, one that in no way opposes the underlying frustration demonstrated here. But it seems as if no effort beyond "not playing healer" and whining is worth trying. So, passive non-engagement and unproductive posturing.

    Why are none of the dissatisfied healers making active attempts to get their feedback listened to? There is one place on this forum where it is generally agreed that the devs pay attention to, post over there. Yes it may be harder communicating through translation software, and yes, some Japanese posters may be hostile to westerners posting there. To which my response is "you'd rather just not play the role you like than risk being told off by an anonymous Japanese poster?"

    I mean, for real, what's the worst that could happen? Someone is mean to you on the internet?
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  2. #552
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Because, while I do not typically play healer,...
    Ah, are you worried you might have to? That would explain all the pushback the strike is receiving.
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  3. #553
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Ah, are you worried you might have to? That would explain all the pushback the strike is receiving.
    Why would anyone be afraid of that? Isnt the point of the strike of how pointless healers are and they dont have much to worry about except on the occasion where someone is bad.

    Im sorry: talking about how braindead a role is then threatening someone about "Being worried" to play it makes no sense.
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  4. #554
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Ah, are you worried you might have to? That would explain all the pushback the strike is receiving.
    Forums trolls deadass saying: "Go back to filling our queues, queue filler."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

  5. #555
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Why are none of the dissatisfied healers making active attempts to get their feedback listened to?
    We are always trying, why do you think it's come to this??
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  6. #556
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Because, while I do not typically play healer, and, therefore, am not really qualified to speak on the current status of the role, I would like the community to be better served by the dev team. I just don't see the particular idea espoused by this thread as productive, and it seems to me to be more about whining to people who already agree with you.

    Therefore, I suggested an alternative idea, one that in no way opposes the underlying frustration demonstrated here. But it seems as if no effort beyond "not playing healer" and whining is worth trying. So, passive non-engagement and unproductive posturing.

    Why are none of the dissatisfied healers making active attempts to get their feedback listened to?
    several of the most active threads in general, that are the longest running are ones of healer mains GENUINELY trying to put forth issues. For the past 6-8 YEARS.

    we tried that. we TRIED being gentle and bringing up how healers feel superfluous due to the lack of incoming damage combined with tanks having overabundant self-heals.

    and they doubled down on it for DT, and the "enhanced encounter design" was nowhere to be seen in the media tour.

    people cleared the omega protocol (ultimate) without healers.

    pre-launch people have cleared the upcoming 91 dungeon WITHOUT HEALERS. in QUESTING GEAR. DURING THE MEDIA TOUR.

    the only idea we HAD LEFT was emulating the monk strike of 2007 in GW1.

    because we TRIED that way. WE TRIED.

    there are talks going back to STORMBLOOD that include people making genuine, gentle, constructive effort to be heard.

    the 'nuclear' option of clogging duty finder even harder by way of not queuing as healer, and making sure that with TWO new dps classes being added, that the duty finder queue is as clogged as possible, leading to people being frustrated and upset because instead of a 10 minute dps queue, its longer than that, and by not playing healers, that hits their *internal* metrics, which is a louder message than anything we could POSSIBLY say in the forum where you so repeatedly put, "nobody listens".

    and why are you, personally, so pressed as to what people who play a role you don't, and don't care about, do with their time?

    why does the fact there are people not playing healer any more, and planning to make queues longer by queuing as non-healer classes upset you so much?

    its kinda weird. if, as you say, it doesn't matter, and we're doing something "useless", then why are you so pressed that you're making MASSIVE amounts of posts about it in a thread specifically talking about healers being fed up with the job designs?

    if it doesn't matter, why do YOU care so much to be in here making it about you?
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  7. #557
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Forums trolls deadass saying: "Go back to filling our queues, queue filler."
    I would like you to point out where you think I've been trolling, if you don't mine.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, for which I apologize.
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  8. #558
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    Why would anyone be afraid of that? Isnt the point of the strike of how pointless healers are and they dont have much to worry about except on the occasion where someone is bad.

    Im sorry: talking about how braindead a role is then threatening someone about "Being worried" to play it makes no sense.
    Chores are boring and as we know the chores aren't going to do themselves.
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  9. #559
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Chores are boring and as we know the chores aren't going to do themselves.
    Faster queues where you dont really have to play the game (oh boy free queue) except the moment where someone is bad (then the game ,supposedly by this thread, gets fun) doesnt really sound like a threat to a majority of people.

    You will just have more people having healer as a side job rather than dedicated healer mains.
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  10. #560
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    Taking a stand

    I love my healer main and I have been a healer in this game for all the years I have been playing. (Since launch). I can understand why some of you are feeling tired.

    The role has been deprived of complexity and made into a green DPS little by little through the expansions. The tanks have taken over the role at least to some extent and feedback and critiques have not been listened to or acted on.

    Just like you, I have no idea who modern healers are designed for and I also feel it’s not me. To be honest I was considering dropping the healer already last expansion I don't want to be driven out of my class.

    When Coil was new I felt so accomplished as a healer when you helped your party defeat one of the harder bosses by keeping everyone alive. But the truth is that all the dng's back then could be a challenge and because of that all roles felt useful and were respected. I liked that.

    I suspect that the mutual respect you got from the cross-class skill system in the past was a big part of building that respect. I think that since you had to level up other classes to enrich your own you also saw the game from another perspective and that in turn built an understanding of what the other players in your party had to do. There was an overall respect for all roles in the past that I can feel is lost today.

    Healers should be an important part of the party, when you can finish a dng without healers altogether then something has been lost. So, when Healers get mostly attack skills in an expansion it says a lot.

    It saddens me when so many old players are leaving. I understand why but it still saddens me when it is over issues that could be easily fixed if addressed.

    So I am joining the strike and maybe they will listen if we all stand together.
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