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  1. #261
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    Gullis's Avatar
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    Gullis Hil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensui View Post
    Call me crazy, but I have fun playing healer. Most of the time I am really busy in a dungeon.
    I wish I was too, but it just doesn't happen for me very often. When I do end up with a meme group, or a undergeared tank, it is very fun, but those moments are so few and far between.

    Healers are dependant on other people playing poorely, which isn't great, when Tanks and DPS don't have that problem. It's like I have to pray to the twelve that I get paired with the worst players, so I can enjoy my role.
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    Last edited by Gullis; 06-10-2024 at 04:02 AM.

  2. #262
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy View Post
    It's going to be hilarious when DT launches, there's no healer shortage, and people are confronted with the fact that social media is a small, self-selecting echo chamber.
    Do you really think that those supporting/participating in #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE think that day 1 of DT launch will crash due to a healer shortage? This isn't even what we want. I am quite positive queues will operate as normal with the exception of much longer DPS queues because everyone will be playing the new jobs. In which the case, you would want as many healers as possible queuing up. Have fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeycht View Post

    Thanks for the faster queue for my healer btw. (I doubt it gonna do anything except the usual shortage of tank/healer because of new dps, usual)
    These statements are funny to me because, 1. You actually don't understand how the algorithm works; and, 2. If you believe healers will not strike, then how will the queues be faster for your healer?
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  3. #263
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Its_Kazzy_D View Post
    I'll never forget when I had to explain to a level 90 WHM why you should just ignore freecure. You've got lillies sis, use them!
    I’ve been paired with a WHM in Endsinger EX farm party who genuinely had no idea what Lilybell was, and also said ”Temperance doesn’t feel like they do anything.” after 2nd wipe.

    I was mentally damaged so bad I just decided to bail & take a break for the rest of that evening lol.
    (9)

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  4. #264
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    Jeycht's Avatar
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    Jeycht Rechton
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Do you really think that those supporting/participating in #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE think that day 1 of DT launch will crash due to a healer shortage? This isn't even what we want. I am quite positive queues will operate as normal with the exception of much longer DPS queues because everyone will be playing the new jobs. In which the case, you would want as many healers as possible queuing up. Have fun!


    These statements are funny to me because, 1. You actually don't understand how the algorithm works; and, 2. If you believe healers will not strike, then how will the queues be faster for your healer?
    Sarcasm isn't your forte I guess. The queue will not be faster than usual as healer, it's instant most of the time anyway, especially in early x.0 patch; no I don't believe it will be faster.
    I don't need to understand how your algorithm works to know that every time there is new dps, the queue time for them is longer. (I don't even understand what algo you are talking about, and that won't change the fact that the number of people here who gonna really do it (not using healer because of the "healer problem") is probably gonna be low compare to the number of people who doesn't care)
    Most people are super casual and that "problem" doesn't affect them.
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    Last edited by Jeycht; 06-10-2024 at 03:11 AM.

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  7. #265
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    Raikai's Avatar
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I'm not playing healer either unless something changes for the better, but I don't expect such changes until 8.0. What ever bandaid they could put on in the meantime anyway?

    Thank goodness PCT got me really hooked in from what I've seen so far.
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  8. #266
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    ArismontDailemont's Avatar
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    Arismont Dailemont
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    Hyperion
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    Adding a +1 here. I have rarely ever felt the need or desire to post on these forums except when it came to healer gameplay, and even then I was seldom moved from apathy. I'm refusing to buy Dawntrail because I do not wish to support developers that, insultingly, ask for feedback on their designs to be put here but stick their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge said feedback. Enough is enough. I'm only going to help my friends finish up clearing the Criterion dungeons as a Sage, and then I'm unsubbing.

    Astrologian is what got me interested in Heavensward all those years ago, and I went through pre-buffed Astro with joy. Even doing Main Scenario quests as a healer back then, I found enough engagement on Scholar to have a satisfying experience, but no longer. The only way I'd consider coming back would be if they fully address the gameplay and thematic failings in healers. I hope the movement gets enough momentum to make positive change.
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  9. #267
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    ChaiDragonwell's Avatar
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    Chai Dragonwell
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    I like the idea, but I don't have confidence that it will make a difference. With that said, I definitely will be joining in. I want to be able to play as a healer and actually have fun. I want to be able to enjoy myself in casual content, god forbid in solo duties or instances the way DPS jobs and even tanks to a lesser extent can. Make healers great again :P
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  10. #268
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    kyyninen_kirahvi's Avatar
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    Sami'a Amriyo
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    Phoenix
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Its_Kazzy_D View Post
    I'll never forget when I had to explain to a level 90 WHM why you should just ignore freecure. You've got lillies sis, use them!
    This is more problem with not teaching how to use your full skillset. Still having cure1/2, and those comparable, at lv 90 is only one of the problems with healers. Healing tools on top of healin tools whithout really thinking what does the role and jobs really need is something incredibly frustrating. Why give more healing tools when there isn't enough incentive to learn how to use them?
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  11. #269
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    Jeycht Rechton
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    You know, it’s funny. DPS optimization was basically not a thing even high end raiders cared about on healers back then, but if we were to transport back to ARR, it’s interesting to compare Lustrate to Adloquium. Because back then, Ruin’s potency was 80 while Energy Drain’s was 150. It’s actually the reverse where Adloquium was the better tool for DPS and Lustrate was worse. But Aldo costed a lot of MP and didn’t actually restore much HP. Lustrate healed more and could heal through Cleric Stance. It’s wild how interesting the dynamic between those actions was, and it’s a shame we didn’t have the knowledge and understanding of the games systems to better appreciate it back then, because there’s such an interesting choice to make between the two.
    And yet dps optimization as healer was a thing in Bahamut ARR and became more apparent during the last tier. Everyone in the team used poison potion as early as the first tier. Dot uptime etc. You had to actually cast heal back then, but whenever you didn't have to you either refreshed your dot or cast a rock or something to do damage. There were even healers going melee range to do more damage with AA. DPS check on the only savage version (second tier) was crazy too.
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    Clean everything before any nerf is my goal. No matter the time needed to reach the last hp and beat it.
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  12. #270
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    Pavise's Avatar
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    Alek Sol
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    Ravana
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    Samurai Lv 97
    Healers kinda brought it on themselves, SE listened to your feedback and put more weight onto oGCD heals meaning you weren't hardcasting them as much.

    Healers also complained about the lack of time they're able to deal damage, so they gave others better defensive kits.

    Now healers are complaining that those defensive kits given to others have invalidated their role and that SE doesn't listen to them?

    Cmon guys something's got to give.
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