#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Katish]

Yeah you guys wanna be omni makes. Dps, tank and healer all rolled into 1 package. Seems legit.

Who said that? We want the treatment of actually being useful...we are literally none of those things right now given our role has been removed since the other roles can handle it over us. If anything, at the moment, we are the complete opposite of that; and that needs changing...

[Aravell]

It's the most common tactic here on the forums.

> Someone says thing I don't like
> Make a caricature out of their argument and mock the caricature, thereby derailing the thread as everyone tries to correct you

It has a pretty high success rate because a lot of people want to correct misinformation. Can't fault them for that, but it also gives trolls/pot stirrers a lot of power.

Edit: Boy, my point got proven almost immediately, meet exhibit A below, makes a caricature out of an argument and then mocks said caricature.

[Sensui]

Nah, it's what you are asking. As a DPS I can't sustain myself without a tank or healer. You guys are asking to be some kind of hybrid. With your logic all jobs should just be some blob that can fill all roles. Yeah, if you don't like healing then don't. That's a choice you got.. throwing this baby fit because you're not a dps (more dps buttons) too is dumb. I got 1 mit and 2 shitty self heals as a dps. I'm not screaming for the ability to survive tank busters or keep my party alive. Get over it.

[Rehayem]

Nah, it's what you are asking. As a DPS I can't sustain myself without a tank or healer. You guys are asking to be some kind of hybrid. With your logic all jobs should just be some blob that can fill all roles. Yeah, if you don't like healing then don't. That's a choice you got.. throwing this baby fit because you're not a dps (more dps buttons) too is dumb. I got 1 mit and 2 shitty self heals as a dps. I'm not screaming for the ability to survive tank busters or keep my party alive. Get over it.

How to tell you haven't bothered investigating healer issues. Hey, you represent SE quite well -- completely ignoring the issue at hand. Read this single forum post and maybe that'll help you understand what's going on.

[Bellsong]

Nah, it's what you are asking. As a DPS I can't sustain myself without a tank or healer. You guys are asking to be some kind of hybrid. With your logic all jobs should just be some blob that can fill all roles. Yeah, if you don't like healing then don't. That's a choice you got.. throwing this baby fit because you're not a dps (more dps buttons) too is dumb. I got 1 mit and 2 shitty self heals as a dps. I'm not screaming for the ability to survive tank busters or keep my party alive. Get over it.

Okay so you just didn't read anything? Noted, moving on.

[Katish]

Nah, it's what you are asking. As a DPS I can't sustain myself without a tank or healer. You guys are asking to be some kind of hybrid. With your logic all jobs should just be some blob that can fill all roles. Yeah, if you don't like healing then don't. That's a choice you got.. throwing this baby fit because you're not a dps (more dps buttons) too is dumb. I got 1 mit and 2 shitty self heals as a dps. I'm not screaming for the ability to survive tank busters or keep my party alive. Get over it.

You shouldn't have any mits nor heals with that logic...if the healers only have one dps button. I am shocked you can't even see how much of hypocrite you're being. Plus, you can absolutely sustain the party if there is enough of you using the mitigations and heals bestowed...please get educated. Well moving on...

[IDontPetLalas]

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Nah, it's what you are asking. As a DPS I can't sustain myself without a tank or healer. You guys are asking to be some kind of hybrid. With your logic all jobs should just be some blob that can fill all roles. Yeah, if you don't like healing then don't. That's a choice you got.. throwing this baby fit because you're not a dps (more dps buttons) too is dumb. I got 1 mit and 2 shitty self heals as a dps. I'm not screaming for the ability to survive tank busters or keep my party alive. Get over it.

Hate to tell you this, but everyone is technically a hybrid, and no one in this thread is saying that they don't want to heal on the healer role- rather the reverse, so I don't know where you got that impression - they're saying that the other roles can do so much healing that healers can be replaced. Healers want to contribute, they don't need to heal 100% of the time. Each role should be engaging.

Finally, your analogy doesn't really work. Have you looked at the some of the new skills, or even thought of how tanks can assist DPS in a party with healing? No, I don't think that you have.

[PercibelTheren]

Nah, it's what you are asking. As a DPS I can't sustain myself without a tank or healer. You guys are asking to be some kind of hybrid. With your logic all jobs should just be some blob that can fill all roles. Yeah, if you don't like healing then don't. That's a choice you got.. throwing this baby fit because you're not a dps (more dps buttons) too is dumb. I got 1 mit and 2 shitty self heals as a dps. I'm not screaming for the ability to survive tank busters or keep my party alive. Get over it.

Nobody is asking for that. Healers are saying that we want either the fights to actually require healing because right now, they barely do. Especially with the hilariously overpowered regens tanks are getting in DT. That or we want a simple DPS rotation. Hell, I'd even settle for a completely different gimmick. Like expanding AST cards and the things you can do with them instead of completely neutering the system and giving us Aetherflow without the flexibility.

Also, you CAN keep yourself alive as a DPS in everything under Extreme. If you're dying in normal content, you're doing something very, very wrong.

[Supersnow845]

I genuinely never thought the biggest issue to any sort of public support for improving healer design would be trying to get the average person to figure out that “more DPS buttons” doesn’t necessarily mean “do more damage”

I thought it was obvious but I’ve been wrong on that front more times than I could possibly count

[Aravell]

I genuinely never thought the biggest issue to any sort of public support for improving healer design would be trying to get the average person to figure out that “more DPS buttons” doesn’t necessarily mean “do more damage”

I thought it was obvious but I’ve been wrong on that front more times than I could possibly count

Trying to explain the healer role's issues to the general community has been an exercise in frustration. Therefore, I will choose to adopt a "show, don't tell" method starting in DT.

I will start playing tank more often and invalidate as many healers as I can and make all of them as bored as possible so they intimately understand what the issues of the healer role are.