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  1. #251
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    Jeycht's Avatar
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    It started in stormblood.
    And in heavensward that was 1 healer 3 dps (no tank) yet nobody complained about it.

    They don't want to make dungeons hard. So you don't need healer, or tank either.
    As long there is no hard hitting tank buster you can even do it with 4 dps if they know what trey are doing.

    Keep in mind there is people who struggle doing dungeons even with a normal team, wiping on simple pack or bosses, and they have to cater to them.

    Thanks for the faster queue for my healer btw. (I doubt it gonna do anything except the usual shortage of tank/healer because of new dps, usual)
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    Last edited by Jeycht; 06-10-2024 at 01:50 AM.
    Clean everything before any nerf is my goal. No matter the time needed to reach the last hp and beat it.
    twitch.tv/jeycht

  2. #252
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    HyperiusUltima's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeycht View Post
    It start in stormblood.
    And in heavensward that was 1 healer 3 dps (no tank) yet nobody complained about it.

    They don't want to make dungeons hard. So you don't need healer, or tank either.
    As long there is no hard hitting tank buster you can even do it with 4 dps if they know what trey are doing.

    Keep in mind there is people who struggle doing dungeons even with a normal team, wiping on simple pack or bosses, and they have to cater to them.

    Thanks for the faster queue for my healer btw. (I doubt it gonna do anything except the usual shortage of tank/healer because of new dps, usual)
    It's the sad reality in regards to people not being able to complete content, but that's because they don't want to learn. They want to have their hand held - and that's fine. Your veteran healers are going to be going away regardless since they've been jaded for 4 years and counting since Shadowbringers, so take it as you will.

    The only thing we can do here on the forums is simply scream into the void because it's where Yoshida told us our input would be brought - but where has that gotten us? Nowhere.
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  3. #253
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Ya... uhmmm, good healer gameplay right now is to do as little healing as possible whole doing as much dps as possible.
    Well...if things die faster, then less healing is needed...so more DPS means less healing anyways.

    Sure, the potency of all non-healer role sustains could be lowered, but not likely to happen in the near future.
    (1)

  4. #254
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    It's already buried! Don't worry. The invite will have its own thread later!
    Thanks so much for putting the Discord together, and for the invite! I'll post the link to my FC when I log on a but later.
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  5. #255
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    Kazzy Delazzy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Oh yeah, freecure is still confirmed to be in the game in DW

    SE really has no dedicated healer job designer, huh.
    I'll never forget when I had to explain to a level 90 WHM why you should just ignore freecure. You've got lillies sis, use them!
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    Last edited by Its_Kazzy_D; 06-10-2024 at 02:06 AM. Reason: I forgot the quote pffff

  6. #256
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Unfortunately since certain website exists now GCD healing = not as good colored number = bad.
    This isn't some kind of new phenomenon caused by FFlogs.

    If your win condition is to make the health bar reach 0 in a certain timeframe then "improving" your gameplay means you perform your primary role while you eliminate unnecessary actions that do not contribute to making the health bar reach 0.

    The reason why GCD healing is generally considered bad nowadays is a consequence of CBU3's design decisions, making the healer role completely bloated with oGCDs that allow you to keep the party alive while never causing you to not contribute to lowering that health bar, therefore making all GCD healing unnecessary actions.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 06-10-2024 at 02:00 AM.

  7. #257
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    Jeycht's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    It's the sad reality in regards to people not being able to complete content, but that's because they don't want to learn. They want to have their hand held - and that's fine. Your veteran healers are going to be going away regardless since they've been jaded for 4 years and counting since Shadowbringers, so take it as you will.

    The only thing we can do here on the forums is simply scream into the void because it's where Yoshida told us our input would be brought - but where has that gotten us? Nowhere.
    I doubt it gonna do anything tbh. Most people outside of the official forum don't care anyway and the forum is maybe 1% of playerbase.
    Most people are super casual who don't even know what gonna happen in DT and gonna enjoy the game as usual, playing healer if they want to. What happen in this thread is a drop in an ocean.
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    Clean everything before any nerf is my goal. No matter the time needed to reach the last hp and beat it.
    twitch.tv/jeycht

  8. #258
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    Jeycht Rechton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Unfortunately since certain website exists now GCD healing = not as good colored number = bad.
    That was already a thing before that even exist. Even tanks droped the tank stance (when that stance reduced your dps back then) to do more damage at risk to take more damage/lose aggro (since it wasn't as easy to keep it as now)
    You don't even need to care about aggro as tank anymore for ages and I don't remember people talking about it.
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    Clean everything before any nerf is my goal. No matter the time needed to reach the last hp and beat it.
    twitch.tv/jeycht

  9. #259
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensui View Post
    Over the last 10 years playing this I've never been in a high end raid situation where healers aren't needed. But. Maybe you guys are playing a different game than I am.
    Ok

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gi05HqdMSs
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  10. #260
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    Well...if things die faster, then less healing is needed...so more DPS means less healing anyways.

    Sure, the potency of all non-healer role sustains could be lowered, but not likely to happen in the near future.
    Tbh, I don't care much about non-healer role sustains, I think crossparty dynamics are a good thing. There use to be way more of them.

    I'm more focused on healer gameplay and the dissonance it creates. The game should be at its most fun when everyone is playing well, but the better everyone is the worse the gameplay is for healers. Your reward for being good at your job is a 2 button dps rotation with a few bells and whistles.
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