Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Chocochic]

Impressive, very nice. Let's see some more 10000letter post arguments.

The potato is right though. If you don't win, you lose. I know it's a hard concept for some.

You don't get it, the rewards have to be reran for the sake of players who don't enjoy PvP, people who've never play ranked Crystalline Conflict, don't understand that there are winners and losers, and rather than recommending the system of Commendation Crystals to add at least some value, ask to use Trophy Crystals which can be received by simply running any casual mode making the item become less valuable, but by explaining that it's less valuable to give it out to everyone and that these points are why you disagree with it, you get to experience the passive aggressive forum-goers that tell you that your opinion doesn't matter, but their opinions do matter because they "aren't toxic" and it should be for everyone because they're OK with it, so who cares how you feel? CC still has top 100 rewards of adventure plates locked to season to season and no one complains about it simply because they're handed out so much that nobody even cares about these top 100 rewards.

Please understand that people will then attempt to make the "What if ultimate and savage clears only allowed loot for the first 100 clears?" not understanding that PvP rewards are different from PvE rewards become PvE rewards being "the first 100" means that alt-clears wouldn't get any loots, BiS would become locked to those who cleared first, meaning that people would just stop playing because they would be locked out of even improving their gear pass a certain level, and that by locking gear and loot of Savage after the first 100 clears, attempting to do an Ultimate would be even harder for those without the loot, and result in a snowball of the elite staying in the elite while those newer stay at the bottom until next floor tier.

Haps, I guess. !-_-!

[DracotheDragon]

I'm just going to chime in with the old points I made years ago because this thread keeps coming back.
I am someone who loves pvp and I miss the old feast and fold ranked matches but if they bring the old rewards back they should be recolours and with a 'replica' prefix, there could be a green hellhound a tarnished chair, a different colour dreadnaught, ect, this preserves the original top 100 mount with exclusive colours and details while the models and animations that are not used on any other mount can see life, we have plenty of recolours with there own prestige attached easy examples being the deep dungeon mounts we even have recolours of pvp mounts that people are excited for (all being the ads mounts)

As for how we aquire them we have crystal coms we have crystal trophies and the method I know we all will disagree to the mog shop, I ain't saying for the original mounts or armour but something close that makes both sides happy.

[Moqi]

The only reason PvP got a popularity boost is because there's glamour that can be obtained by everyone. You can talk about "deserving" things all you want but most people play PvP for the glamour and as soon as you lock too much of it in ranked, it'll flop like it used to. We'll be back to a bunch of dedicated win traders and a handful of people who genuinely like PvP in this game complaining about it being ruined.

[Vallerie]

I think that they should re-add those top 100 rewards and try to simulate content getting easier over time in the vein of weapons from ultimates, by tying a currency to ranked CC, and have it scale by rank. Have it reward 2/1 for win/loss at bronze, 4/2 at silver, 8/4 at gold, 16/8 at platinum, and 32/16 at crystal.

Have the set cost, say...200 currency (random number, could be higher, could be lower). This both creates incentive to get good at the mode because you can get it up to 16 to 32 times faster than someone who isn't good at it, but gets more people to queue for ranked CC instead of Frontline or casual CC, because they can still get something out of it even if it takes longer. The new versions can be called replica or tarnished or whatever.

Ultimately, I think all cosmetics should be possible to unlock with persistence, and while above baseline level skill should help you get it faster, it shouldn't mean you're the only one entitled to having it, similar to how you can be effectively carried through an ultimate (and them getting easier thanks to how gear sync works + potency creep) or unsync a savage raid an expansion later to get the fancy gear easier.

I don't see why PvP should be special with having special girl rewards. (and no, I don't think they should add time/skill exclusive rewards to PvE either)

[Karious]

I don't want a recolored mount. I want the original. You know in China, everyone who participated in the feast received the dreadnought mount regardless of top 100 or not?

[Nicola_Kunu]

League of Legends had a similar instance in 2016 where they re-released a limited skin. Their solution was to add a crown to the original to indicate/reward players who obtained it on its first release (2012).



I'd be happy if the original mounts had a sticker/ribbon or some small effect somewhere to indicate that they were the original and recognise players who attained the rewards earlier. Something for those players to look at and go "this one is mine".

Then you could recirculate the previous mounts, but ideally behind a similar grind similar to what Reinhardt_Azureheim was pencilling out so the original achievement is not trivialised.

[Evergrey]

You don't get it, the rewards have to be reran for the sake of players who don't enjoy PvP, people who've never play ranked Crystalline Conflict, don't understand that there are winners and losers, and rather than recommending the system of Commendation Crystals to add at least some value, ask to use Trophy Crystals which can be received by simply running any casual mode making the item become less valuable, but by explaining that it's less valuable to give it out to everyone and that these points are why you disagree with it, you get to experience the passive aggressive forum-goers that tell you that your opinion doesn't matter, but their opinions do matter because they "aren't toxic" and it should be for everyone because they're OK with it, so who cares how you feel? CC still has top 100 rewards of adventure plates locked to season to season and no one complains about it simply because they're handed out so much that nobody even cares about these top 100 rewards.

Please understand that people will then attempt to make the "What if ultimate and savage clears only allowed loot for the first 100 clears?" not understanding that PvP rewards are different from PvE rewards become PvE rewards being "the first 100" means that alt-clears wouldn't get any loots, BiS would become locked to those who cleared first, meaning that people would just stop playing because they would be locked out of even improving their gear pass a certain level, and that by locking gear and loot of Savage after the first 100 clears, attempting to do an Ultimate would be even harder for those without the loot, and result in a snowball of the elite staying in the elite while those newer stay at the bottom until next floor tier.

Haps, I guess. !-_-!

If I would come up with a reason as to why, is because PvP can be more connected to real life competition than PvE content.
And as many knows, in competitions where are winners who go home with a prize where those who didn't win won't.
This is an ingame activity for people who likes to compete, to fight for high scores, to claim rewards for the hard work they put in.
Where PvE content like Savage Raids is a personal challenge, not a competition against others.

This is how I see it anyways.

[Reinha]

The only reason PvP got a popularity boost is because there's glamour that can be obtained by everyone. You can talk about "deserving" things all you want but most people play PvP for the glamour and as soon as you lock too much of it in ranked, it'll flop like it used to. We'll be back to a bunch of dedicated win traders and a handful of people who genuinely like PvP in this game complaining about it being ruined.

Can confirm on my end: I've done PvP (casual CC and frontline) ever since they introduced the series rewards. Never PvP'd before that and I am mainly doing it for the cosmetics. No interest in playing ranked with the win traders and cheaters.

[Nicola_Kunu]

I don't agree with the notion that content should exclusively prop itself up on its own merits in the context of the rest of FFXIV. A lot of the game already gives you a bauble or trinket or title as a reward for your achievements.

Part of the reason Criterion is dead is because it has no or middling rewards - other content does. There are plenty of PvE rewards and grinds in other content and as such I can find Light farming parties or Savage raid parties or Roulettes.

Part of the reason why Ranked is dead is because it has no or middling rewards - other content does. There are plenty of other PvP rewards that encourage players to try out PvP, and the result is more players are in these instances and matches can be found.

Rewards help to drive adoption and engagement, and in FFXIV players can be walking billboards for those rewards.

If I could pick up a few things from this thread, if someone asks where your rare PvP mount or Garo gear is from, and its no longer accessible, the asker is not incentivised to try it out. It's already too late. Time to pick a different goal.

If its available, they are incentivised to try out the content. Maybe they really like it, and they become an interesting competitor for you one day. But trying to get players to take that first bite can be difficult. This goes for raiding content and non-raid content (think PotD or HoH).

If you want me to stand by something, I personally think you do not deserve the reward if you are not skilled enough. So are you skilled enough?

But you should encourage more players into your arena, and prove to us all that you deserve that title, whilst they vainly claw at your crown.

[Commander_Justitia]

.... What GM's doing?

League of Legends had a similar instance in 2016 where they re-released a limited skin. Their solution was to add a crown to the original to indicate/reward players who obtained it on its first release (2012).



I'd be happy if the original mounts had a sticker/ribbon or some small effect somewhere to indicate that they were the original

I mean they did this with wolf collar weapons, just a bit too late. PvP players suggested that since Feast Season2 and we got it in Crystal Conflict.