Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Doozer]

I worked for those top 100 rewards, if they bring them back I'll lose all motivation to ever play this game again lol.

That's a you problem, not an everyone else problem. It sounds like you don't actually like the game that much if a trophy is the only reason why you'd keep playing the game.

And again, as someone who has accomplished challenging things in this game as well as someone who has received exclusive, limited rewards for other things: other people getting to acquire those items through other means does not diminish my accomplishment. To think it does is to conflate the success and pride of achieving it with a fancy bauble that can be lost. What happens if the game shuts down, would those accomplishments suddenly be worth nothing? If so, again, you problem.

And does anyone really care about a legacy tattoo? Does anyone notice anyone with it?

With how old the game is now, I'm surprised they haven't added like... ARR 'legacy' tattoos or something similar.

[GTK0HLK]

Prefacing this as I reduce your wall of text to something more pleasing to read - please just string sentences together like everyone else. This is a tough read.

They made the initial claim and I asked for proof because I do not see Top 100 players in the same way they do. They have, by definition, the burden of proof for being the first to claim their argument to be true. As I said, I do not deal in absolutes and I did not deny the existence of cheaters and cheats. All I said was that the existence of them does not automatically translate to the majority having done it.

This is about Top 100 "The Feast", not post-6.1 Series/Battlepass rewards. Please don't pad your post and argumentative stance with outrageous claims nobody made. This is the "I can't believe he hates waffles" fallacy again where someone said "I like pancakes".

Nobody argued against having newer items. Also it's a bit dismissive to say they would not care for it except for petty and vapid exclusivity. As one of them who holds one of Light's S19 armoursets, all we ask for is for the original achievement to still be readable by any small margin ingame. At most I'd ask for the rerelease to not be "too" easily earnable to at least humble the original obtainment method of Ranked PvP in general.

Frankly I and various other Top 100 players have made the opposite experiences where players would approach us and actually be amazed by what we accomplished ingame. Also, the current system is arguably more gameable due to the inability to drop lower than Platinum 4. We did not have this safeguard back then, nor was the game any easier than it currently is. In many ways it was more difficult, including going unnoticed as a wintrader (given the most popular role for this was most likely Healer).

That is a vile argument. "Who's fault was it that there even is legacy players"? Legacy players stuck around when the game was at the worst stage ever. They have every single right to their exclusivity and benefits as the game's first supporters. Just because some corporate megalomaniacs absolutely doozied 1.X due to hysterically terrible decisionmaking regarding the engines and being "the one at fault" does not mean legacy players should have to forfeit their exclusivity, good grief.

First of all, we can turn the "petty response from players who like have/have not" the opposite direction. The main reason people are mad about the exclusivity of these items is because they can't have them, not because they necessarily want them. They like to have access and don't like others having what they don't have.

Second, the exclusivity of Top 100 PvP is literally in the name and no amount of shaming players at the time for a set of bad actors will negate what a lot of players had to go through and had to actually hone their gameplay for to compete for top reach the rank they did. Argue wintraders and cheaters (at the time this was fairly underdeveloped btw) all you want, it was a competition and the legit players want to keep at least some form of representation for their achievement.

On your last point, the only way this would have value is if it incentivized a duty type that actually would benefit from it. If it is completely obtainable by doing Frontlines/Rival Wings and Casual CC, then you lost the plot because neither of these two modes need additional incentive, therefore there is no value to put them into rotation for a casual currency.

(Busy elsewhere, So delayed response)

[Also, the way i usually go about things. is i respond to Exactly what it was said. with no previous expressions affecting what is said at that exact moment. unless i wanted to bring up the entirety of the topic. Most would understand that people tend to drop in and out of the Conversation. so its just easier to focus on what was said at the exact quote. and not much else.] Aka The Truest Expression of the active conversation.

The problem with that kind of argumentation, is that it just clearly can be manipulated to throw out others Responses. You also need to try to understand their meaning and intent. So what if they themselves cant prove anything on their own?
Does that imply anything they said is false.

Hence to find the truth or a, as objective as possible conclusion. Its best for both sides to At Least TRY to offer a response

[Speaking of padding, Do you even know what i was talking about in the first place. One can say a truth, or a logical sounding phrase. But thats just throwing smoke screens.]

From what i read, their reference to the "Top 100" was mostly just the labeling of was, and not Explicitly about the 100 Literally.

I never talked about the 100 at the very least.
Also, The Thread Never ORIGINATED from the TOP 100 topic.

That's the only unobtainable thing that I want back, really. We have the hellhound weapons, the hellhound barding but the hellhound gearset is lost in time forever. If possible make it glowy like the weapons, something that you can spend by achieving high ranks in ranked CC.

You didnt Exactly Respond to the Fomo Topic. Rewards will never Drive players to actively participate in any more Serious Bracketed Content that isnt the mainstream. (and even then, the mainstream still doesnt have beyond 10% doing Ultimates-from the last time i checked)

For the game to keep a semblance of value, it would need to track the day, hour, time it was Earned. Just like in some examples of other games. WoW for example allows you to link your personal Achievement with all that data. (So players, for good or ill, can know/prove and not falsely claim "valor")
[This is only the Real Point of Contention there is. Should things have a Subtitle or not. Personally. I think Replica/Subtitles should be either for Glamour/Class-Jobless Items. They only did so years ago, cause the fresh wounds of the Calamity had occurred.]
The Value of Differentiation of Prestige and Knockoffs is long gone. The ones who do try to claim that "Prestige" are only lying to themselves, and we all know it. [The majority, will just be reacting to them as in "Cool".]

(seeing as the next part in the quote is the same topic. ill just add that, it doesnt change anything at all. You got your memories, and that is worth more than the items ever will. except for being a tangible memento, that wouldnt be tarnished if a bunch of Knockoffs hit the market. You know how it was back in the time. Only you know how it was for you. Not the entirety. no one can take that for you, even if they released Exact items.)

Its only Vile, cause it struck a cord that isnt entirely wrong. It only Came off that way due to the topic, and the side of the topic people think they are on.
The Company fd up, To show their Devotion to the players, they took on the largest and highly taxing job of doing that.
(The Tattoo, is the most Recognizable to those who looked up the history. The rest is just code.)

Just like you said "No one was asking..," earlier, i say it to you now?
What do people consider largely a benifit to the Legacy players.
The Hidden Dialog that cannot be Gamed/Transfered, The Tattoo, The Memories, THE DISCOUNTED SUBSCRIPTION PRICE ONLY AVAILABLE TO LEGACY PLAYERS. THE NAME ON THE CREDITS OF A REALM REBORN.

The Rest, is just code. [by your intent or not, Its not wrong that they held strong to the faith they had for the company. its the Companies fault for Wronging the Customer. it was their Faith that carried the Devs that Cared. and why we are here today. it will be the same, even if the game faced the "Switch Off" and all became available just like it was in Legacy.]

You didnt Flip anything that people are mad they cant have it. Thats the thing with the Have and have nots. Are they wrong that people want to find ways for the current content and old to find new life? Which was the point of the game.
Its also why the Devs tried to throw the Earing out in the first place. but didnt realize it was too soon, and the value has not decreased.

Again, like said before to the other line. Your Memories that youll never lose, and you will still have your items. Why have it become the ever compiling list of items that very few will over time even have access to. Players Weave in and out, old players leave, Come back, Retire. New Players Come in, leave, play on and off. Current Players are here, looking for more.
[There is no reason to have a separate item just to make a difference. That will only affect those who still have said items. No one is even taking the thing that matters the most. Which as said many times before, was the experience you had at the time.]

The Last Point is just like when i mentioned in this response. About the Contention of, should Repeated items have a Replica/Subtitle or not.
There are many ways to improve the way things are. I do not believe that Rewards and items will ever increase.

NOR DID I SAY THAT FRONTLINES/Casual CC SHOULD GIVE YOU SAID ITEMS.
(But i almost would want it to at this point.)

(Different paths, Be it trying to induce flow by fomo/limited items. or Systems.)

I take the side of Systems.

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New Fresh start on the topic, like i said before, been away.

When it comes to Old Items returning i have yet to say how they "Should" Return.

The only way Ranked Content could get a boost, like some have said.
and the most efficient way at that as well.

Regional DutyFinder(and Party Finder in the same boat as well)
That way the Ranked Players Pool will be larger, and Players dont move away to other DC's just cause they believe one pool of players are weaker than the others. (False, your DC doesnt describe if youre good or not.)

RN there is no Series going on.
and my point originally was that in that dead time. or before players are able to get Current rewards. they could go through previous BPass/Series Tracks.
They Could Even have a Separate Ranked Track(for those who feel like STILL keeping items that are just gonna become more code piling up. That a ever diminishing section of players "Could" even consider using today.)
The topic is about using the ITEMS, not about how you feel people will take your Glory/Memories. (THEY WILL NEVER TAKE THAT FROM YOU. You actually were there, They Were NOT.)

Heck, make the Ranked Currency a Red Trophy Crystal for all i care. or the same currency as Right now.(or make the Currency Feed into each other. Like TCrystals -> Wolf Collars -> Medals -> ?)

But over all, we need SE to allow Regional Ranked to exist. So its no longer about Filling the Queues.
(rewards will never fill the queues in a consistent manner.) (and they waste time with clear cut conversations about old rewards. Rather than solutions that actually will effect the game)

[PotatoTree]

This idea is fundamentally flawed on multiple levels. To begin with, there are currently no exclusive rewards available, and instances of alleged cheating have tarnished the integrity of past world races. Moreover, it primarily benefits a subset of highly skilled players who can afford to prioritize gaming over real-life responsibilities. It's often the same select groups dominating the world races, resulting in rewards being disproportionately distributed among them. Many of these players already enjoy significant publicity as influencers, further exacerbating the issue. To the extent that they frequently face accusations of receiving information directly from Square Enix.

I find the idea that skilled players shouldn't be rewarded more than unskilled players as fundamentally flawed.

[PotatoTree]

That's a you problem, not an everyone else problem. It sounds like you don't actually like the game that much if a trophy is the only reason why you'd keep playing the game.

I like winning, and I like a reward to show that I won more than other players. The reward could literally be a hat made of poop, but as long as I have it because I won more and someone else doesn't have it because they did not win more then I want the hat. And if there is a reward like only the first 3 ultimate clears gets some unique reward that I can never get, I am completely fine with that. Why? Because I acknowledge that I'm not as skilled or didn't participate because I wasn't around. For the record I don't use any of the top 100 armorsets I've obtained, many are still in the coffers. The actual reward doesn't matter, what matters is an indication that I got something through skill that someone else did not get.

Also for the thread as a whole, imagine if me a non-day 1 raider started saying things about how ultimates and day 1 raiding should be this and that. My opinion on the matter should not matter at all, it shouldn't even be listened to.

In a similar vein, the only opinions that matter when it comes to the top 100 rewards should be from the players that actually got them. If top 100 players feel like they wouldn't enjoy the game if their rewards were devalued, then that should be the end of the discussion.

And to finish it off, what if I propose this. Release the top 100 rewards to everyone, but anyone who has the original top 100 reward gets theirs upgraded to a glowy one. Would that be an ok solution, or will all the complainers here now complain that they want the glowy one now?

[Isurith]

I like winning, and I like a reward to show that I won more than other players. The reward could literally be a hat made of poop, but as long as I have it because I won more and someone else doesn't have it because they did not win more then I want the hat. And if there is a reward like only the first 3 ultimate clears gets some unique reward that I can never get, I am completely fine with that. Why? Because I acknowledge that I'm not as skilled or didn't participate because I wasn't around. For the record I don't use any of the top 100 armorsets I've obtained, many are still in the coffers. The actual reward doesn't matter, what matters is an indication that I got something through skill that someone else did not get.

Also for the thread as a whole, imagine if me a non-day 1 raider started saying things about how ultimates and day 1 raiding should be this and that. My opinion on the matter should not matter at all, it shouldn't even be listened to.

In a similar vein, the only opinions that matter when it comes to the top 100 rewards should be from the players that actually got them. If top 100 players feel like they wouldn't enjoy the game if their rewards were devalued, then that should be the end of the discussion.

And to finish it off, what if I propose this. Release the top 100 rewards to everyone, but anyone who has the original top 100 reward gets theirs upgraded to a glowy one. Would that be an ok solution, or will all the complainers here now complain that they want the glowy one now?

The actual solution would be to just stop with timed things.
Bring back those rewards, with the same skill constraint. Like Ultimate weapons (arguably older are easier than at their time of release but that's a different subject to discuss).

The only problem is that it's not even possible to get them anymore, and that is stupid. Every piece of content in a game should be evergreen.

[Hausti]

Just put it on the battle pass system they have currently with the Fierce Tyrant or whatever and be done with it, there's no point restricting entire gear sets to like 100 people per server when there's very few people that actively use it anyways, just keep the mounts limited.

Very much this. Thank you. Also call the new ones replica.

[Mistress_Irika]

The day Yoshi cracks on this is the day that rank games truly dies. It'll be like ultimates/extremes/savage but way worse. Why rank if you can play casual games later on after a certain amount of time and buy them with crystals/wolf marks? I am saying worse, because those 2 can't really be compared at all. Extremes? Most will be willing to learn what mechanics they can ignore so that they can get the mount quickly stress free. Rank? Who in their right mind is going to stress themselves out over a high rank/rating when everyone is going to get the same thing whether they play casuals or rank? And if either doesn't appeal they can roll the dice during the Moogle events. Problem solved. Whether you like it or not rank needs some sort of exclusivity in order for people to play. Otherwise, why put yourself through all that stress for nothing when you can just relax in casual games? Literally the equivalent of running a huge competitive tournament and stressing yourself out for only bragging rights, no physical rewards.

Granted, mounts and glamour as a rewards should have never been a thing in the first place. To add salt in the mix all of those feast rewards have some sort of reskin. So as far as I'm concerned with this topic, damn if you do, damn if you don't. Someone's getting screwed over, because the reward incentive was set up incorrectly to begin with.

Here's my solution. I want rewards to return to rank. Rank rewards needs its own currency however. It won't be as exclusive. However, I think it'll still bring others in to work towards. The current stuff that's there is horrid, especially the incentive to get the augmented weapons.

I mean, you should do PvP because you like PvP, not because you get something from it.

I do agree with that statement. However, if this is being applied to rank then rank needs to be deleted from the game, because you already have casuals that serves that goal. The goal of rank isn't to have fun. It's a battle on a ladder to see who's the best in said mode. You can have fun while playing rank.

[Bonoki]

The day Yoshi cracks on this is the day that rank games truly dies.

It's unlikely. This game has undergone numerous PvP overhauls in the past, and each time Square Enix introduces a new mode, it tends to overshadow all previous iterations. This has been a consistent pattern throughout the game's history.

[Siddiax]

I've made a thread about this before and I completely agree.

Even as someone who enjoys PvP I've always hated how MMOs treat PvP rewards - most of them are "season" based and permanently go away after a certain period of time, while PvE rewards are permanent and always obtainable. WoW even has these elite PvP recolors that are recolored raid gear, which turn unobtainable a few months after release, while the raid gear becomes trivial to obtain half an expansion later. In a way this is how Savage is, but even if you compare them to Ultimate, the raids tend to become easier or simply just don't ever go away.


We need a way of getting all the old PvP sets back into the game - whether it be replicas or whatever. A good way to increase ranked CC's playerbase would be to make them cost a certain amount of a new currency that you obtain depending on how high your rank is.

[Lacksz]

I think past PvP rewards should never return. Those who obtained said rewards worked hard for them.
I hope they add exclusive rewards to Ranked CC tho, but knowing most CC players can't hit the 1 marker makes me reconsider.