All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[Erzaa]

I am a consumer. It is my right to complain when a product i pay for or have paid for no longer satisfys me or delivers on its original promises, people can like this or not, but fundimentally this is my right, and telling me to just *unsub silently* is absolutley ludicrous. that should be my personal choice to ubsub with or without saying anything. i am of the belief that if i dont say what i dont like about the game, that i can never expect it to improve, because the developers will NEVER know what i didnt like. i am seeing so many people just trying and trying and getting bodied in the replies, to tell us consumers our opinions dont matter or that we should stop posting here, as if these forums are monopolized by the pro yoshiP maffia or something, the simple reality is, if you dont agree, just say it and then go away. but telling people to quit.. imagine im on the outside of ffxiv looking at joining, and i see complaints to the game about its obscene content droughts, and everywhere are ppl saying "just quit, its not for u" i wouldnt join this game because i wouldnt feel like i would be welcome here if i didnt 1000% like the game.

if everybody who was unhappy with this game quit. ud have no ques for ur dalies, no buyers for ur crafted mats, no pvp to que with, no pfs. ud have nobody. u realize that right? that this IS an Online Multiplayer game, and not a solo game. regadless hm square and yoship try to peddle that.

but heres wat ill do. ill sub when content drops, and ill unsub when its gone, and ill show square that my subscription is only based on the content he provides. and that im unwilling to pay for downtime or mediocrity. and if everybody did this.. lemmi tell u.. this games devs would be bricking it and thing WOULD change

Again, yes. You're correct, you have a right to complain. That's the point. You have a certain opinion of how the game should change to be better. You offer your advice, it's ignored. Then what? Give it again? And again? Definition of insanity?

As long as a company is making a profit, and you're not happy with the end product you purchased, you offer your advice on improvements, if they're not implemented, you stop going to said company. If enough people do so, then company loses profits, company makes improvements.

If you leave but most people stick around, then maybe you need to start thinking that maybe... just maybe... it's just you!

And yes, maybe they would put the game into maintenance mode, that's what happened to SWToR, I still enjoyed it for what it was and left as soon as I was done with it. But judging by how they handled 1.0 - 2.0 and how Blizzard handled the WoW Exodus, if indeed your issues a valid and enough people agree, leaving is your best course of action, they'd probably fix it.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You're absolutely right. But, how many times do you need to repeat the same problems you have with the game, not having them changed, before you realise you're being ignored?

It could be you're being ignored for many reasons. Maybe you're complaints aren't valid, maybe more of the playerbase doesn't agree with you, maybe the developers just really don't care one way or another.

But how many times will you repeat yourself, before finally giving up and saying I've had enough, you can't have my money anymore?

And restaurant example, you call, you complain, they don't listen, do you keep going back and eating their food?

how many players are there? are each of them not just a justified to fight for this, are each of them not allowed to learn this for them selves? its not just one of us, some people are here saying it, but its not just one person, every patch a new player hits that point and comes here, and yet they are treated like they are the same person that has been saying it since ARR..

this game died once, we can all agree we dont want it to happen again, you just have to trust that the people willing to come criticize the game versus just leaving care enough about it to want to see it improved. even if they are not happy with current state, we can still want to hope and believe it can get better.

[sindriiisgaming]

Again, yes. You're correct, you have a right to complain. That's the point. You have a certain opinion of how the game should change to be better. You offer your advice, it's ignored. Then what? Give it again? And again? Definition of insanity?

As long as a company is making a profit, and you're not happy with the end product you purchased, you offer your advice on improvements, if they're not implemented, you stop going to said company. If enough people do so, then company loses profits, company makes improvements.

If you leave but most people stick around, then maybe you need to start thinking that maybe... just maybe... it's just you!

And yes, maybe they would put the game into maintenance mode, that's what happened to SWToR, I still enjoyed it for what it was and left as soon as I was done with it. But judging by how they handled 1.0 - 2.0 and how Blizzard handled the WoW Exodus, if indeed your issues a valid and enough people agree, leaving is your best course of action, they'd probably fix it.

Solid answer so ill reply to just this 1. ur right that leaving rn is for the best, however i dont agree about the insanity part. sometimes u have to yell REEALLY loud. but in the end ur right and i agree with u that ppl should now just quit ff till summer if theyre not happy with the game. forget ur house, its a shackle around ur neck. forget ur fc. if they love u they wont throw u out. discard ur ties, let go and be somewhere better. MHW is booming, wow is decent, OSRS will never financially exploit you.

[Erzaa]

how many players are there? are each of them not just a justified to fight for this, are each of them not allowed to learn this for them selves? its not just one of us, some people are here saying it, but its not just one person, every patch a new player hits that point and comes here, and yet they are treated like they are the person that has been saying it since ARR..

this game died once, we can all agree we dont want it to happen again, you just have to trust that the people willing to come criticize the game versus just leaving care enough about it to want to see it improved. even if they are not happy with current state, we can still want to hope and believe it can get better.

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes, alot of people on these forums agree on alot of issues. 2 minute metas, not enough content, healers, game is dying. I see alot of posts of people agreeing about alot of issues. I personally don't agree, or agree to some extent, but don't consider it a deal breaker.

You can voice your opinions, and others here might agree with you. And your opinions may even be valid. But, at the end of the day, if those issues are deemed unimportant to the majority of players, and the company still continues to make a profit, they don't have any incentive to change.

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

My point was, you don't attempt that, because, deep down, you don't believe you are in the majority, and know that, unsub won't hurt their bottom line, and that maybe... just maybe... we don't matter to them. We don't matter, and we'll never matter unless we hit them on their profit margins, but, more than like, the people complaining on the forums day in day out over the same issues they have with the game, if they all left, it wouldn't even phase SE's profits.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes, alot of people on these forums agree on alot of issues. 2 minute metas, not enough content, healers, game is dying. I see alot of posts of people agreeing about alot of issues. I personally don't agree, or agree to some extent, but don't consider it a deal breaker.

You can voice your opinions, and others here might agree with you. And your opinions may even be valid. But, at the end of the day, if those issues are deemed unimportant to the majority of players, and the company still continues to make a profit, they don't have any incentive to change.

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

My point was, you don't attempt that, because, deep down, you don't believe you are in the majority, and know that, unsub won't hurt their bottom line, and that maybe... just maybe... we don't matter to them. We don't matter, and we'll never matter unless we hit them on their profit margins, but, more than like, the people complaining on the forums day in day out over the same issues they have with the game, if they all left, it wouldn't even phase SE's profits.

we the player base have in fact done this before and with results, this is my 3rd account, i have 2 PC accounts and a PS account (and soon a xbox one maybe), ive been playing this game since launch, at one point we did give up on this game, and they dropped a mentor on it, another time was during the award winning expatiation heavensward when the game became so stagnant that it almost died, good ol' gordius, this account is the only one i have subbed at the moment due to a new patch that dropped about 2 hours ago, a new patch full of a lack of content i called at 2 am last night before the patch notes even dropped in this very thread.

im hear to finish my relic, see the story and judge whether or not the game is worth playing till i make the same choice with dawntrail.


we do vote with our wallets. some of us more so than others. i have many toons, many cashshop items on multiple of them, many fantasias bought many subs paid.
sure i can walk away, where do i get a refund for all the digital content i payed for? probably worth trying to see something i had loved can be redeemed before i just cast it in to the fires.

You won't get a refund. It's more of a cut your losses kind of situation.

my point exactly, when you pay full price for a car, that wont start sold "as is" you dont just take it to the junk yard, you exhaust your options of fixing it, or at least inquire, before you scrap it.

this game holds value if only just sentimental value, you may have started in 2023 but this game launched in like 2010-2011, we have been playing it a decade+
we have the right to criticize and speak on the decline of quality.

you are in the honeymoon phase, but one day you will see it too.


(at post cap, ill gladly continue chatting tomorrow if you're here, you have been a pleasant and reasonable conversation and i have been enjoying it, thanks )

[CNitsah]

It's not supposed to be a grindfest, but grind is part of the experience since the beginning. ARR relic, HW relic and diadem, SB eureka, ShB Bozja/Zadnor. Some kind of grind has been part of the deal from the beginning to please the mmo players that likes that kind of thing. Sure, compared to other mmo, it was a pretty light grind, but it was there. Nobody can deny that. Plus that content served the purpose of keeping those players engaged during the down periods.

EW totally removed that. Sure some people are happy with it, but there are people that play mmo for that kind of content, and liked that the FFXIV version of that wasn't too much of a time sink while still there. The whole "FFXIV is not supposed to be WoW" is kinda ignoring that has been part of the experience since the beginning. FFXIV has the chance to well installed, because any new mmo with a content EW would be criticized for its lack of mmo elements. Question would probably be "Why make a mmo anyway". I think keeping your mmo crowd happy is important in a mmo.

I believe that if there was another mmo that would go for the "good story, not too much grind but still enough to keep mmo players engaged" that FFXIV used to have, most of the mmo crowd would move to that game.

[Erzaa]

we the player base have in fact done this before and with results, this is my 3rd account, i have 2 PC accounts and a PS account (and soon a xbox one maybe), ive been playing this game since launch, at one point we did give up on this game, and they dropped a mentor on it, another time was during the award winning expatiation heavensward when the game became so stagnant that it almost died, good ol' gordius, this account is the only one i have subbed at the moment due to a new patch that dropped about 2 hours ago, a new patch full of a lack of content i called at 2 am last night before the patch notes even dropped in this very thread.

im hear to finish my relic, see the story and judge whether or not the game is worth playing till i make the same choice with dawntrail.


we do vote with our wallets. some of us more so than others. i have many toons, many cashshop items on multiple of them, many fantasias bought many subs paid.
sure i can walk away, where do i get a refund for all the digital content i payed for? probably worth trying to see something i had loved can be redeemed before i just cast it in to the fires.

You won't get a refund. It's more of a cut your losses kind of situation.

[ReynTime]

How many of those CEs were reskins of existing bosses?

Very few bosses and enemies in all of Final Fantasy XIV aren't reskins.

We fight palette swap bogies in lv80+ content and a reskin of a Lv50 Primal at Lv87.

To say nothing of the models taken straight from XII and XI, using the exact same animations.

[Volgia]

I don't like doomer posts either, but I don't want to leave the discussion to people who want exploratory zones to disappear, or who think we shouldn't lock rewards like mounts behind Savages. These people are actively trying to ruin the gameplay part of this game by uncritically consuming whatever is served to them and then defending it by saying that this game isn't for you anymore, or that you should patch log and then unsub to play another game.

[Erzaa]

I don't like doomer posts either, but I don't want to leave the discussion to people who want exploratory zones to disappear, or who think we shouldn't lock rewards like mounts behind Savages. These people are actively trying to ruin the gameplay part of this game by uncritically consuming whatever is served to them and then defending it by saying that this game isn't for you anymore, or that you should patch log and then unsub to play another game.

Who's saying that? If SE added another exploratory zone, I'd do it. I'd still find it a drag after the initial luster wears, but I'd shut up and do it.

And yes, high-end raiders deserve rewards too, and since I don't do that stuff, I won't get that reward. Such is life.

My point is that people who enjoy exploratory zones, didn't get one this expansion and are claiming they got less content, which is untrue.

Should I be making posts about how Shadowbringers needs more content because there's no Deep Dungeon, or Hildy, or Allied Quests for the Tribes, which I enjoy?