All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[strawberrycake]

What you and everyone in this community does, is assume that because we are critical that we hate the game or something. You can be fully critical of something and love it. The best way to describe this is having a friend and telling them that their habits are bad and unhealthy, while said habits may not harm them immediately, it still can and will eventually happen. And they're other friends who see no issue with their actions says that you're jealous of them and hate on them for how they're living life.

if you didn't catch it, the people who conflate being critical of something we love with hate are the fake friends who encourage your self-destructive tendencies and have no care about your well being.

I've supported this game since ARR, I've supported SE through their bankruptcy. I have faith that things will get better and will support them through it. Which gamer's have done with plenty of other studios and companies. As much as I hate the suits that control SE, and as much as Yoshida has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth, I know this game can be better because it has been better.

If this is a hard concept, then maybe it's being purposely ignorant of how these things work.

[Sebazy]

Alright, full disclosure: I play alot of games. Side benefit of being a tour guide is really nice hours, leaving plenty of time to play. So before anyone tells me 'I haven't seen what's out there' or 'I don't have enough experience to know what I'm talking about' or whatever else they can come up with that doesn't actually address the substance of my post, know that I am preemptively rolling my eyes and dismissing your reply as lacking in any return substance.

I don't mean any disrespect but it takes 1 look at your achievements, minions and such to see that this game is pretty clearly a piece on the side for you. So yes, in light of that, it's really no surprise that you're doing just fine. Endwalker in particular works brilliantly when you play the game at a lazy casual pace and light endgame such as the recent 24 mans just double down on that.

However, before you roll your eyes and stand on your high and mighty pillar of casualdom, remember that this game actually used to have a ceiling. Hardcore FCs such as Solitude, Exordium, Angered/Entropy used to run multiple teams all year round and the high end raid content had enough longevity to support that. Go stalk the biggest hardcore raid FC on your data centre's house.

Spoiler: it'll be an absolute ghost town. Why? Because the recipe is stale and Endwalker did less than nothing to try and address the issues that people like myself have been flagging up for years. Despite what SE's PR department aka Jeeq would have you believe, the trail of sprouts isn't endless. They always eventually dry up regardless of how dominant an MMO may be.

[strawberrycake]

All this.

Current WoW isn't a Grindfest, having a bajillion Reps hasn't been a thing in over a decade. Dailies out the ass went out the window with BFA and Shadowlands. The Grind, you speak of has been dead for quite some time. But threre's nothing wrong with a grind. What you and so many others like to do is make it seem like both a grind and an alternative cannot exist at the same time. These things are not mutually exclusive. Let's take a more popular grind, the Argent Tournament from back in Wrath. People enjoyed the grind due to having worth while rewards, the reason people didn't feel bothered about FoMo back then was due to prestige. Given Yoshida's issue with that concept, as of Stormblood when he did away with it, we move forward into a new type of grind.

Bozja/Zadnor is where we introduce the new none Mutually Exclusive Grind, one where it could have worked, if they didn't allow for players to farm relic items outside Zadnor. The reason why XIV fails at grinds and why they always feel bad here is due to them trying to let the players have their cake and eat it to. They wanna give everything without there ever being anything more meaningful beyond the the relic and some glam.

In WoW grinds became heavy for them because prior to WoW MMOs were DRASTICALLY different, Remmeber, WoW used to be the Casuals MMO compared to it's elders in the genre. Mix that with a bunch of old heads being a bit too idolized by their replacements and we have a adherence to dated ideologies that kept them from catching up with the ever changing aspects of the gaming industry at large and the MMO genre.

Where WoW is now succeeding, is in adapting to the new norms and looking around the room again, which is what they've always done best. Where XIV is failing, is exactly how WoW was failing, being too stuck in their ways and refusing to look at what may be better even if it's new and uncomfortable.

Innovation, Iteration, and Evolution are the blood of MMOs, and if you fall behind on any of it you will start to feel like a slog of an MMO. XIV can easily fix this, but only if they're willing to adapt and change things up.

[Supersnow845]

Remember kids it’s a rule in 14 discussion

If you’ve been playing since 2013 and still have more content to do then you are totally valid and there is nothing wrong with the game

If youve been playing since 2022 and you’ve already done all the content you are obviously a toxic tryhard and should go die in a hole or something

[Jojoya]

Remember kids it’s a rule in 14 discussion

If you’ve been playing since 2013 and still have more content to do then you are totally valid and there is nothing wrong with the game

If youve been playing since 2022 and you’ve already done all the content you are obviously a toxic tryhard and should go die in a hole or something

I wouldn't dismiss someone as a toxic tryhard unless they're acting like a toxic tryhard (those types of player unfortunately do exist). I also wouldn't say anyone should go die in a hole unless they're someone going on real life violent criminal sprees (or recklessly inciting them) with no concern for others.

But if you're been playing since 2022 and you've already done everything you want to do, then you should go play other games until new content is released that you want to do. That shouldn't be hard to figure out. Developers are never going to be able to keep pace with those players who consume content the fastest.

[Grizzlpaw]

While Jobs could be improved. I have few complaints about the amount of content in 14. I have a massive list of goals that I'm aiming for and I've only scratched the surface. By the time I run though the list and run out of things to do, years will have passed and I'll leave content knowing I got plenty out of this game. Just as I did when I finally achieved all of my goals in Gw2. Those were years well spent.

[Aravell]

I have to ask this question: What constitutes a doom post here?

Is it any criticism post? Is it if the OP is regarded as a known doomposter? Is it any post you don't personally like?

I've been seeing people go into criticism threads lately and just claim it's doom posting. What is the criteria for a thread to be considered dooming?

[Heroman3003]

I have to ask this question: What constitutes a doom post here?

Is it any criticism post? Is it if the OP is regarded as a known doomposter? Is it any post you don't personally like?

I've been seeing people go into criticism threads lately and just claim it's doom posting. What is the criteria for a thread to be considered dooming?

"Game is dying" with evidence usually being a screenshot of empty PF on a low populated server in middle of the night, OP's 'experienced opinion' and some poll from third party website that doesn't actually tell anything about subscription or overall player numbers. And any 'critique' thread, where there is less critique and more "this current thing sucks and THATS why game is dying" or "this upcoming things sucks and THATS why the game will die for sure when it comes". There can be valid critique, but its often buried behind the intents of just trying to validate one's dislike of things by claiming that said things are somehow actively currently killing the game, when in fact, game has been doing perfectly well, and still is and for the time being that remains unchanged, hence why the 'critique' threads commonly get called out on being Doomposting.

[Aravell]

"Game is dying" with evidence usually being a screenshot of empty PF on a low populated server in middle of the night, OP's 'experienced opinion' and some poll from third party website that doesn't actually tell anything about subscription or overall player numbers. And any 'critique' thread, where there is less critique and more "this current thing sucks and THATS why game is dying" or "this upcoming things sucks and THATS why the game will die for sure when it comes". There can be valid critique, but its often buried behind the intents of just trying to validate one's dislike of things by claiming that said things are somehow actively currently killing the game, when in fact, game has been doing perfectly well, and still is and for the time being that remains unchanged, hence why the 'critique' threads commonly get called out on being Doomposting.

I understand that the "game is dead/dying" posts are increasingly annoying. But what of the threads that don't mention "dead/dying game" but also have people coming in and claiming it's dooming? Having people enter a constructive critique thread and claim it's dooming is just as annoying as people claiming the game is dying in every positive thread, no?

[Turtledeluxe]

"Game is dying" with evidence usually being a screenshot of empty PF on a low populated server in middle of the night, OP's 'experienced opinion' and some poll from third party website that doesn't actually tell anything about subscription or overall player numbers. And any 'critique' thread, where there is less critique and more "this current thing sucks and THATS why game is dying" or "this upcoming things sucks and THATS why the game will die for sure when it comes". There can be valid critique, but its often buried behind the intents of just trying to validate one's dislike of things by claiming that said things are somehow actively currently killing the game, when in fact, game has been doing perfectly well, and still is and for the time being that remains unchanged, hence why the 'critique' threads commonly get called out on being Doomposting.

You do not need to wait for obscure periods for PF to basically be a raiding hub and very little else.