All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[Jeeqbit]

Which you're going to do, 180 FATEs and 90 CEs, in repetition, over and over and over, to collect those silly items for what's essentially a glamour item. You've seen them once, you've seen them twice, you've seen them 20 times. And then what? Just sit there and pray for this hell to be over.

They are good because, unlike farming Expert dungeons all week, farming Bozja meant you got a variety of different bosses in different orders. It wasn't set in stone which CE would be next or if certain CEs would even spawn while you were there. There was so much variety, whereas if you do an Expert roulette, it's the same 3 bosses, in the same order.

SE did put the degree of development into CEs that they put into dungeon or trial bosses. Internally, that is the sort of work they put in. It wasn't just "let's give it a conal AoE to spam" like fates.

[Saraide]

Every critical engagement is at the quality of an alliance raid boss

So you have

-30 unique critical engagements
-3(4) Boses from castrum (I won’t include Lyon as a seperate boss)(if the two first bosses count separately is debatable)
-4(6) bosses from DRN (dahu and ghost are debatable)
-4(5) Boses from dal (again debatable on the first split boss)

So 41 at the bottom end, 45 at the top end, I’m not even discussing fates here, I think people underestimate the complexity of bozja’s fates but I’m intentionally omitting them to prove a point, an alliance raid has 12 Boses, so Bozja functionally gave us 3.5 whole extra alliance raids, I cannot overstate how much extra casual content of undeniable quality (since a lot of it is modelled off the universally beloved ivalice) that is

How many of those CEs were reskins of existing bosses?

[Supersnow845]

How many of those CEs were reskins of existing bosses?

Almost none considering while they shared character models the fight complexity wasn’t remotely comparable

Unless you want to argue that ivalice belias and Zadnor belias are remotely comparable in difficulty and design considering the difference in death rates

[ReynTime]

How many of those CEs were reskins of existing bosses?

Very few bosses and enemies in all of Final Fantasy XIV aren't reskins.

We fight palette swap bogies in lv80+ content and a reskin of a Lv50 Primal at Lv87.

To say nothing of the models taken straight from XII and XI, using the exact same animations.

[CNitsah]

Honestly, I've seen more thread making some criticism derailed by people either saying "yet another doom thread" or exagerating the critic to a point it's ridiculous than actual "doom threads".

[snipski]

All games die eventually FFXIV is no different. Game overall is way to easy, PVP fucking sucks ballz what are you supposed to do login for EVENTS every few months and just logout?

The Graphic update seem like a joke i couldnt tell any diffrence between the pics they showed us.
Bozja was the last content i actually enjoyed that says something about this game the whole Endwalker was super bad.

[Soltari]

One real problem FF14 is facing has been coming for a long time now, and started way back in stormblood.

The difficulty creep of Extreme trials from more "midcore" content during ARR and Heavensward, to harder and harder mechanics with each expansion culminating in EW extreme trials which IS NOT what one could consider "midcore" anymore. EW extreme trials are as difficult as savage raids. Remember, they didnt used to be this way.

The top end raiding player base screamed and screamed for more content throughout the last 3 expansions and Square Enix responded by making the extreme versions of trials more and more difficult.

So the players who love midcore content looked towards other content that meshed with their playstyle and got Eureka in Stormblood, and Bozja in Shadowbringers, then nothing in Endwalker. EX trials aren't "midcore" anymore AND there is no grind to test the midcore playerbase (thanks to mount farms being savage level basically).

Yoshi needs to look at the difficulty of Extreme trials and scale the difficulty back in the next expansion to micore levels. Top end raiders already have Savage and Ultimates before you come at me with the "there won't be enough content for high end raiders" argument.

[Merrigan]

Well, if you've been on WOW... Or any MMORPG really, even if the forums aren't always very active for others: you already know that the forums MUST criticize the game. Simply being satisfied is a ban, pure and simple.

Joking aside, I do think there's a lot of tension on the forums at the moment. FFXIV forums are also quick to accuse defenders of the game of "fanboy" or "fangirl" without really paying attention to the arguments put forward. In general, people also sometimes ask for too much. Most of the time, this is due to a lack of knowledge of the development process: having spoken to a number of people in the industry, I've found that players' requests are often met with howls of laughter, because they are unfeasible or would require too great a sacrifice. To give just one example, the demand for constantly renewed content (and not just on FF: on all the big MMORPGs) is impossible to satisfy when you consider that some people log on absolutely every day. Under these conditions, it's impossible not to be repetitive.

Another example (... don't hit me): the thread asking for characters' hands to be redone. Typical. A new feature is added, but it's never enough. Is it really important? No. The vast majority of people don't look at their characters' hands, and many pieces of equipment prevent them from being visible anyway. But people do ask for it, without necessarily realizing the work and computer perf it requires.

If all requests were examined and respected, releasing an extension would take not two years, not four, but ten. And people are already chomping at the bit after a few short years, complaining about the repetitive nature of the content and the fact that they need the next extension.

I'm not saying that the game is perfect. There are many things that need to be improved. We can criticize the fact that the game doesn't renew itself enough. Between wow, which is caught up in a kind of frantic flight to novelty (at the risk of not developing some very good ideas) and FFXIV, which rests on its laurels by repeating certain systems from years ago; it would be good to find an in-between. I'm thinking in particular of the Memoquartz system and combat in general. But let's just say the mentality being a little... Capricious, is part of the "MMORPG culture". And FFXIV is no exception.

[Mostly_Raxus]

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i know, its almost like these ingrates think they pay for the game, and monthly at that LOL what fools, they haven't given money since before ARR launched so why should square be responsible providing meaningful contents thats carries in to every sub cycle..

and how dare consumers ask a triple A game company to keep the in game models up to date with simple rigging and texture pack updates.. its not like modders do it for free already with little effort..

thank goodness we have developers working so hard by taking entire patch cycles off paid to also get paid working on ff16 as well, otherwise the game would of crashed without their constant vigil...

*Cough Cough* excuse me, i seem to be choking on sarcasm..

[Erzaa]

i know, its almost like these ingrates think they pay for the game, and monthly at that LOL what fools, they haven't given money since before ARR launched so why should square be responsible providing meaningful contents thats carries in to every sub cycle..

and how dare consumers ask a triple A game company to keep the in game models up to date with simple rigging and texture pack updates.. its not like modders do it for free already with little effort..

thank goodness we have developers working so hard by taking entire patch cycles off paid to also get paid working on ff16 as well, otherwise the game would of crashed without their constant vigil...

*Cough Cough* excuse me, i seem to be choking on sarcasm..

You pay for the game, but aren't happy with what you're provided, you take your money elsewhere. I'm not being sarcastic or "just quit the game...", more like, if truly enough people aren't happy with the state of the game and took their money elsewhere, SE would notice and make changes.

I feel, most people who complain on the forums that the game is in a terrible state but refuse to unsub, are worried, because deep down, they know that most people really wouldn't follow. It wouldn't be a WoW Exodus and the game would be just fine without them, and most people, even with a few pet peeves here and there, are happy with the game.