Should the devs appologise to the community

[Enkidoh]

It's not SE's fault players are incapable of pacing themselves and each try to consume content faster than a child's birthday party at an all-you-can-eat-resturant. Stop and smell the rolanberries once in a while and maybe players won't run out of things to do in the game...

[Ivtrix]

It's not SE's fault players are incapable of pacing themselves and each try to consume content faster than a child's birthday party at an all-you-can-eat-resturant. Stop and smell the rolanberries once in a while and maybe players won't run out of things to do in the game...

This is rich considering the MSQ which people love to put front and center only provides players with 4 hours of content every 4 months.

[DPZ2]

This is rich considering the MSQ which people love to put front and center only provides players with 4 hours of content every 4 months.

You know, you're right. They should have as many quests as other ARR/other expansions.

ARR - 80 quests (down from 100)
HW - 44 quests
SB - 40 quests
ShB - 51 quests
EW - 37 quests, so far

How did we live through other expansions with 4 hours of MSQ "content" every 4 months?

[CNitsah]

It's not SE's fault players are incapable of pacing themselves and each try to consume content faster than a child's birthday party at an all-you-can-eat-resturant. Stop and smell the rolanberries once in a while and maybe players won't run out of things to do in the game...

Yeah, people have to stop with this broken argument. Those people were already there during ShB, and most of the people that complain for EW content longevity were fine with ShB one. The same game in a previous iteration... it about how EW patch cycle looks bad compared to ShB patch cycle, not compared to anything else.

[Musashidon]

Yeah, people have to stop with this broken argument. Those people were already there during ShB, and most of the people that complain for EW content longevity were fine with ShB one. The same game in a previous iteration...

yea bozja was so nice doing the same fates and dungeons 60 times to get my relics it was the peak of good content if only SE forced me to do varients 66 times to get a relic this time so i could praise them for making sure good content with such good longevity.

[CNitsah]

yea bozja was so nice doing the same fates and dungeons 60 times to get my relics it was the peak of good content if only SE forced me to do varients 66 times to get a relic this time so i could praise them for making sure good content with such good longevity.

My point had nothing to do with the quality of the content, I just pointed how the argument "Yeah people do the content planned for month in 3 days then complain" is stupid.

Bozja was not perfect but at least it was something. More than what we get now. Since 6.45, I'm at 14 relics up to date without even trying after the second one. Got half 5 or 6 of them farming the mog tomestone event. Relics right now is something you complete while doing something else.

And Bozja had a lot more than the relics. farm for glams, haircuts, mounts, xp, or just because you wanted to get to 10/10/10. Content totally optional, but that kept people involved in the game. I liked Bozja, and not for the relics grind, because out of bozja solution was nearly systematically more profitable than the bozja one. Should I abandon the idea to have a better version of that type of content because you didn't like it? (Also you chose the wrong guy to apply that "yeah, you think relics were so great, I litterally tried to make a summary of what worked and what didn't with previous relics)

The problem is right now, the mentality seem to be "If I can't have it, nobody should".

[Musashidon]

Bozja was not perfect but at least it was something. More than what we get now.

but it's not that's the whole point.

[SannaR]

It's not SE's fault players are incapable of pacing themselves and each try to consume content faster than a child's birthday party at an all-you-can-eat-resturant. Stop and smell the rolanberries once in a while and maybe players won't run out of things to do in the game...

This thb. People wonder why some things are the way now? It's due to them seeing the data and how players did things. Dungeons boring hallways? Hmmm I wonder why they stopped giving us other paths. Oh wait they told us in an old interview why. Because the other paths made the dungeon take longer. Skills and spells get taken away to the point most jobs are boring or don't feel as though they fit the role? Enough people or a very loud subset complained about how a job was too hard to learn or that a skill or spell wasn't being used by anyone that's not a raider so it ended up getting chopped. This community reaps what it sows and then acts surprised when these changes come about. You want more dungeons to go back to how they were then maybe some of you should have stop telling others for years to just suck it up when it came to how people did and still do dungeon runs. A lot of the problems we have now is due to the devs seeing us not use things. Or do things. Or complain that things are too complex or complicated. And sure some of it does come from the devs wanting most if not all of the playerbase having the ability to experience just about anything. Yet due to the community's mind set of gotta go fast and oh its fine if you or you and another person carries an entire party. Stop complaining... ugh geeze you elitist try hards. We end up with a lot of where we are now.

Don't get me wrong them only seemingly looking at engagement metrics isn't the best way to measure success. As I doubt we would get Ultimates if that 100% was the case. Yet we also know from many others that part of the reason why so many don't have more than one finished past relic for many was due to the grind or severe lack of future proofing. The aesthetics of the zone(s)/gear weren't something they liked or enjoyed. Or in the case of more recent things the rewards were found lacking. Criterion savage having no rewards for instance is baffling even to me who will probably never touch it.

[Stormpeaks]

It's not SE's fault players are incapable of pacing themselves and each try to consume content faster than a child's birthday party at an all-you-can-eat-resturant. Stop and smell the rolanberries once in a while and maybe players won't run out of things to do in the game...

How dare people not go at a snail pace by playing 10 minutes a week to pace themselves out ? Imagine wanting to play the game, nah dude, pace yourself out, if you only play 10 minutes a week you'll have content!

What a take, slowing yourself down to snail pace on purpose because the game barely has any content and talking like that's a solution

[Musashidon]

How dare people not go at a snail pace by playing 10 minutes a week to pace themselves out ? Imagine wanting to play the game, nah dude, pace yourself out, if you only play 10 minutes a week you'll have content!

guys i beat the 15 hour game in one sitting this game sucks! how dare it only entertain me for 15 hours!! i get to play it once and its over?!?!?!

looks i can be exagerative too and add nothing.