I'm One Of The Filthiests Of Casuals And Even I Can See How Dumbdown FF14 Has Become!

[Raven2014]

MCH was also redone in 5.0 to give it a new foundation they could grow on

What did 6.0 MCH give us- an extra 10% damage down after we begged for half an expansion of MCH being in the toilet

MCH was never the same situation. The original concept was overwhelming reject in 3.0, and 4.0 was an emergency remade, that was remade again in 5.0. MCH never had an solid identity or concept. They were all done so the job don't get scrab all together.

Given what has happened to DRK (Discount WAR), PLD (Discount GNB), MCH (Not expanded after being reset), the entire healer role (Massive mess all around), I think we should stop pretending that the dev team resets jobs to expand upon them in the future, the real reason they reset jobs and make them really similar to another job is to make them easy to work with for the tiny job design team, that's all it is.

I expect DRG to become a RPR clone and for AST to become much more like WHM in 7.0, all because that would be a lot simpler for the tiny team to balance.

DRK, MCH and healers say hello. (I'm holding out comments about PLD until 7.0, but yeah as of right now..discount GNB with ranged attacks)

Trust me, this is what I thought initially too back at Shadowbringers launch. I wish that thought process was proven right instead of wrong

I feel all of these answers are missing the point I'm trying. Rather you guys are just leaning on what I said as a convenience way to beat on a dead horse that had been beaten to zombie. If anything, these replies further prove my point more than anything. None of the jobs mentioned had a complete tear down and re-imagination like SMN did. Had instead of remaking the old SMN, the new SMN was introduced as a new job I don't think anyone would have blink. The job was "fundamentally" changed. Whether all of the job "rework" are still just more or less adjusted/tackled on/patched up on the same foundation.

Again, the fact you all insist SE has been doing a bad job with these classes, that just re-enforce my point that maybe they all need a complete tear down like SMN.