Manderville Relic Criticism

[Supersnow845]

So, instead you just want to farm some random old dungeon a couple dozen times, because that's somehow more fun or engaging? Personally, I like the freedom to do whatsoever whets my whistle and make progress on the relic at the same time. If it bugs you that much, just create your own specific grind. Let one class use Alliance Raids only, another one Expert Dungeons, another one Hunt Trains, etc.. What I find annoying is - for example - I'm up to the step in the Bozja chain where you need 15 of an item that drops specifically from Level 70 Dungeons or HOH. I have little interest in the Deep Dungeons, and running 15 level 70 dungeons on a now-level 90 class is boring. Doing what I find fun and making progress regardless? Thank you.



Because there comes a certain point where doing the same thing ad nauseum creates burnout. The more jobs there are, the more potential relics you're looking to get, the more you might have to do the same exact grinds over and over and over to do that. Consider how one of the biggest complaints WoW received in Shadowlands was that you were originally forced to have each and every toon you created go through the same story quests, so much a problem that they ended up implementing an "alternate" route that let you get all the xp you needed by doing - get this - whatever you wanted, and then once you hit max level, you could skip the story quests. The relic grind in FFXIV acknowledges that issue by letting you do effectively whatever you want from the start to chip away at the grind.

Except you can’t do whatever you want

You can basically do level 90 dungeons and a select few of the roulettes

Why can’t I do it with eureka, why can’t I do it with POTD, why can’t I do it with ocean fishing

Encouraging the same roulettes that don’t need more incentives isn’t letting you do them however you want


And using the “but what if I want all of them” is a flawed excuse because relics should be balanced around the assumption most people will only get one or maybe 2 and that’s what the overwhelming majority of people will do, balancing around relic collectors isn’t good design

[Koros]

Except you can’t do whatever you want

You can basically do level 90 dungeons and a select few of the roulettes

Why can’t I do it with eureka, why can’t I do it with POTD, why can’t I do it with ocean fishing

Encouraging the same roulettes that don’t need more incentives isn’t letting you do them however you want


And using the “but what if I want all of them” is a flawed excuse because relics should be balanced around the assumption most people will only get one or maybe 2 and that’s what the overwhelming majority of people will do, balancing around relic collectors isn’t good design

lmao they only have like 2 complete post-nerf relics total ever, they aren't even a relic collector

they are just using other people (relic collectors) to justify their argument. they don't speak for relic collectors

if anything relic collectors would actually want a grind so their relics are actually worth bragging about

[Astrahime]

Except you can’t do whatever you want
why can’t I do it with POTD

Except, you can?
You can farm Causalities in all 3 Deep Dungeons and PvP modes if you enter as a level 90 job.