Manderville Relic Criticism

[Dionysius]

CBU3 has been operating on tight budgets with both FF14 and FF16, so tight they can't even add fishing in FF16. Or maybe they wasted the budgets for new OCE and NA Data Centers.

[Renathras]

The past few expansions, we’ve had quests and lengthy areas to play in to obtain relics - whether it be ARR/HW Crafting, SB Eureka, ShB Bozja, or any of the steps that involve replaying old content - it’s nowhere to be found with this relic. All it is is a glorified Tomestone grind. 4500 Tomestone and you have your relic for the expansion.

At the very least, I expected SOME modicum of effort to be put into this final step, but woe is the man who expects anything from the past two HILDIBRAND patches. Yes, they can be funny and you have to go through a lot of old stuff - but it isn’t that long in comparison to other relics.

For 7.0 relic, they need to bring back the grind.

People complained too much about Eureka and Bozja. This is the inevitable result.

I'm personally hoping for another Eureka/Bozja in 7.X. If nothing else, it's something to spend time with and have a social experience with people out "in the world" (or something akin to it), which I miss in this game; love FFXIV but open world content is one thing it needs more of.

That said...people have been saying this since the first step. It wasn't new and fresh commentary when they did it with the second, and everyone knew they were going to do it with the third (or suspected), so this topic has been done to death.

Understand, I AGREE. As someone who has 3 (working on 4) ARR Relics, something like 7 HW ones (if not more; WHM, SCH, AST, SMN, MCH, PLD, WAR I can think off-hand...), 4 (working on 5) SB ones, 7 or 8 ShB ones, and enough materials of both the first two steps to get LITERALLY ever Job's when I ever get around to leveling them to 90 (and have the ones for every Job I DO have at 90 other than the latest step, of which I have 1 since I detoured after that to working on BLU)...

...I 100% love the grinds and exploration stuff and even ARR had people out in the world doing FATEs and dungeons and stuff. I very much WANT there to be more than this.

But I'm getting tired of seeing the same topic over and over again. Everyone gets it. There are dozens of threads about it. Bump/necroing those would probably be better than posting a few DOZEN more every new X.Y5 patch to complain more about what we're already all aware sucks.

[Dohmi-Zeiva]

People complain about everything, as in, some people complain about this, while others complain about that.

There's likely no way to know for sure, but I would love to know the numbers on what different people enjoy when it comes to this content.

A survey conducted by SE would likely shed some light on it. But you know, that'll never happen.

[DixieBellOCE]

There's likely no way to know for sure, but I would love to know the numbers on what different people enjoy when it comes to this content..

Luckybancho data exists and its around 5-6% of players per datacenter that actually completed eureka and finished baldession arsonal.

Sadly it is what it is, Eureka was the last great piece of 'MMO' content the game got that was worth the time investment. To me Eureka will always be the best piece of content this game has ever produced, and that may just be because i'm in my 30s and grew up playing grindy MMO's like Tibia. Gamers today don't want to play games, they just want to get rewarded everything for free.

[Supersnow845]

Luckybancho data exists and its around 5-6% of players per datacenter that actually completed eureka and finished baldession arsonal.

Sadly it is what it is, Eureka was the last great piece of 'MMO' content the game got that was worth the time investment. To me Eureka will always be the best piece of content this game has ever produced, and that may just be because i'm in my 30s and grew up playing grindy MMO's like Tibia. Gamers today don't want to play games, they just want to get rewarded everything for free.

I wouldn’t use BA completion rates as a measure of retention of eureka, BA is both an extreme and completely unintuitive how it’s supposed to work unless you work in a discord with a host that explains everything

I would say people who reached hydatos is a good measure considering if you didn’t like eureka and bounced off it immediately you very very unlikely to go past pagos

[Sililos]

I dont mind it being a tome grind.

Just kinda wish the latest upgrade was.... an upgrade on Tomestone weapons rather than a notable downgrade.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Designing Pagos specifically to kill the group trains that kept people going in Anemos probably didn't help completion rates either.

[Saraide]

I will never be able to take the people on this forum seriously as long as so many of them are like 'hello I would like more boring content please'.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I was just thinking, they could easily turn this relic grind around with the final step being the most grueling, long and god-awful series of objectives that would actually make you for how simple and easy the previous steps were.

This would troll the playerbase so hard and it would arguably fitting to the unpredictable nature of the Mandervilles.

It's so not gonna happen but imagine if they went with this idea

[AwesomeJr44]

I was just thinking, they could easily turn this relic grind around with the final step being the most grueling, long and god-awful series of objectives that would actually make you for how simple and easy the previous steps were.

This would troll the playerbase so hard and it would arguably fitting to the unpredictable nature of the Mandervilles.

It's so not gonna happen but imagine if they went with this idea

Jeez, don't threaten me with a good time. Just the rage posts on Reddit would make that worth it, let alone having to you know, actually do something for once?.