Manderville Relic Criticism

[dspguy]

I get the complaint about relics... but in reality how different has it been.. really... outside of SB where we had Eureka?

Many relic steps in other expansions involve running older content to obtain a token, fulfill a quest requirement or earn uncapped tomestones to purchase a token.

In ARR: earn uncapped tomestones to get Atma books - do lots of dated content while earning no experience. Run dungeons for lights often gaining no other benefit.
In HW: earn uncapped tomestones to buy various tokens. Alternatively, some of these tokens doing content like tribal quests. Run dungeons for lighunts often gaining no other benefit.
In SB: unique
In ShB: complete Bozja and then can ignore pretty much all of it and earn Memories (tokens) by doing specific content (alliance raids for example). Essentially... run specific dungeons to progress it.
In EW: Run dungeons to earn tomestones. Instead of trading tomes for 3-5 different types of tokens, you can earn tomestones in various forms (dungeons, raids, PvP, hunts, etc).

My point is... whether we are doing specific old content like alliance raids or specific dungeons to move the quest forward... or running other content to simply purchase a token... what is the difference?

[Winterfang]

In ShB: complete Bozja and then can ignore pretty much all of it and earn Memories (tokens) by doing specific content (alliance raids for example). Essentially... run specific dungeons to progress it.

ShB Relics gave people alternatives from grinding inside Bozja but it was still there.

Those 60 Memories? I'm going to join Cluster Farms inside the Southern Front and get memories while grinding for other rewards like the Math Bot mount
Bitter Memories? I'll fight around Bozja and get them doing that
Loathsome Memories? I'll get from Critical Engagements and also from Castrum Lacus Litore as I aimed for more free Haste Gear upgrades

Haunting and Vex memories? This is a step that forced you outside of Bozja since only Fates and Alliance Raids were able to drop it. But the quest only needed to be completed 1 time for the 17 relics, so it's fine.

Timeworn Artifacts? Delubrum Reginae
Spare Parts, Tell me a Story, and Fond Memeory Quests? Do stuff around Zadnor and it was a 1 time quest for all the relics.
Raw Emotions? Dalriada and Delubrum Reginae


After listening to the complaints of tying the relic to Eureka, the team seems to have decided to give players an alternative grind outside this time for them, but even then people just complained. This isn't learning from past relics or even trying something new, it's plainly "we couldn't be bothered this expansion" and people are okay with this because they don't want to be inconvenienced

[DiaDeem]

They did it.. they actually did it. It's just tomestones again..



Well.. at least I can get a bunch of them without thinking too much about it, I suppose.

brb I'm eating some stuff I said a few months ago. I'm frying them with butter, a pinch of salt and some vegies to go with.

[Kikosho]

Relics lag behind and aren't all that powerful compared to other options so I'm not that miffed that the process to get them is boring. However, the process to get them is boring.

There is nothing new or unique to do. You do not even need to ever be on the job to get it's relic aside from turn-ins. People rag on light farms but those steps made players optimize their jobs and learn little tricks to go faster. It echoed dungeon speedruns from 1.0 that required a party of players to be on point. Letting the players do anything for tomes also usually means they'll do 1-2 things for tomes because those 1-2 methods are the fastest. Why do you think hunt trains end up with congestion around the aetherytes?

[SieyaM]

Relics lag behind and aren't all that powerful compared to other options so I'm not that miffed that the process to get them is boring. However, the process to get them is boring.

There is nothing new or unique to do. You do not even need to ever be on the job to get it's relic aside from turn-ins. People rag on light farms but those steps made players optimize their jobs and learn little tricks to go faster. It echoed dungeon speedruns from 1.0 that required a party of players to be on point. Letting the players do anything for tomes also usually means they'll do 1-2 things for tomes because those 1-2 methods are the fastest. Why do you think hunt trains end up with congestion around the aetherytes?

If relics hold true to form, by the end of this expansion they will become the most powerful weapon you can obtain in the game up to that point. So in this instance, farming a bunch of uncapped tomes is really all you need to obtain the best weapon available to you, which seems like neither the time investment older relics required nor the kind of investment savage required for the alternative. They are kind of just handed out for having played long enough.

[ToniRomo]

As a casual player Relics were always my main content. You could often level up other jobs while building them. They were more involved and the last few expansions even gave us new zones to work through. I don't like Hildibrand at all. I don't find him funny at all so I end up skipping the cutscenes. I logged in today and skipped a bunch of boring cutscenes then it wants 1500 tomes again. I had 1000 already so I will do a few roulettes and be done with it. Not exactly great content. It is very lazy.

[Themarvin]

I would not mind some bozja alike content, which was also a breeze and nice to do, even if they made the steps a bit easier than what bozja eureka was....

It was torture though to make people go through Crystal tower and more multiple times... and also if they should place some of the steps there... do it for the rare Raids... such as 70-80 ones.

[Kaurhz]

My biggest feedback on the point of the Manderville weapons - Is that if they are insistent on being this singular with the reli, in that you are only needing tomestones then they need to make use of more 1-time only steps, of which we had similar to the ShB relic.

This would at least allow for a potentially substantive grind for the initial weapon - Whilst also catering to those that are completionists. - ShB was a step in this direction, as most of the meat on the ShB relic was down to the one-time steps than the relic itself. That you could do multiple steps simultaneously, and that many of these steps overlapped.

I will always have a love/hate relationship with relics in relation to exploratory zones

[Noox-115]

The past few expansions, we’ve had quests and lengthy areas to play in to obtain relics - whether it be ARR/HW Crafting, SB Eureka, ShB Bozja, or any of the steps that involve replaying old content - it’s nowhere to be found with this relic. All it is is a glorified Tomestone grind. 4500 Tomestone and you have your relic for the expansion.

At the very least, I expected SOME modicum of effort to be put into this final step, but woe is the man who expects anything from the past two HILDIBRAND patches. Yes, they can be funny and you have to go through a lot of old stuff - but it isn’t that long in comparison to other relics.

For 7.0 relic, they need to bring back the grind.

Correction: Manderville Tome weapon Criticism

[Bellsong]

The 7.0 relic is just going to be delivered to you every odd patch with a note preemptively thanking you for taking a break from the game.