The truth is we need a remastered XI or a follow up

[Jkap_Goat]

FF 14 is not and never has been rush to endgame. The game starts at level 1, players are encouraged to take as much time as they like.

of course!

let's say your friend joined the game and wanted to play the new level 80 raids with you

they have to go though all the MSQ and dungeons and expansions just to get to the raid, or they can pay for a jump potion and leveling potion which isn't cheap

in FFXI, your friends are doing Sortie ( new added battle content) and you want to jump in with them

Nation Quests --> get to Adoulin ---> get to 99-- > finish Seekers of Adoulin expansion -- unlock Sortie

it's not that hard but in FFXIV, it can take days, weeks or months, it's very unfriendly to catch up

[Jkap_Goat]

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there's always going to be people who are meta, like I always say, find people who accept you and there's nothing wrong with a support job.

I tell people two things in FFXI:

- Play a job you love
- Play a job that will help you get into parties

FFXI is about group play and helping each other, I'm not saying like only play support but if you have a support job it's helps other people out, and then people will help you out, maybe a person in your group wants to be a Bard so you can go as a DD like SAM or NIN, maybe Ranger.

[Jkap_Goat]

Isn't FFXI party also requires you to collect minimum weapon to join like BRD need REMA or stuffs like that?

No it doesn't, it will help but it's not required.


it's like a WHM Yagrush, it's great to have but not recommend

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

of course!

let's say your friend joined the game and wanted to play the new level 80 raids with you

they have to go though all the MSQ and dungeons and expansions just to get to the raid, or they can pay for a jump potion and leveling potion which isn't cheap

in FFXI, your friends are doing Sortie ( new added battle content) and you want to jump in with them

Nation Quests --> get to Adoulin ---> get to 99-- > finish Seekers of Adoulin expansion -- unlock Sortie

it's not that hard but in FFXIV, it can take days, weeks or months, it's very unfriendly to catch up

I like how you list things to catch up, but not how long it takes. I'm sure it could also take days, weeks, or months depending on how long you have to play per day.



Also, everyone lauds the old XI, where it could take months to over a year just to hit level cap.


In the month that I played after CoP launched, I spent 2 weeks of my free month attempting to get to level 20 in the dunes. I never got there. Level 20.

[Skivvy]

I like how you list things to catch up, but not how long it takes. I'm sure it could also take days, weeks, or months depending on how long you have to play per day.



Also, everyone lauds the old XI, where it could take months to over a year just to hit level cap.


In the month that I played after CoP launched, I spent 2 weeks of my free month attempting to get to level 20 in the dunes. I never got there. Level 20.

I am impressed by how confidently you toss digs at a game you quit 15+ years ago, after a month of playing, before even making it out of the starting XP zone.

And why does it matter if people laud "old XI"? There was a lot of stuff that I loved about, and also things I disliked. People are allowed to enjoy different types of games. Just because you didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it sucked. But hey, old XI is gone, unless you play on private servers. If you're going to compare XIV to XI, it should be the current retail version.

Nowadays, hitting 99 is a walk in the park, and if you're looking to catch up to friends quickly, you can focus on just the story lines/ranks you need vs. having to complete every single last bit of MSQ from past expansions. And it can be done solo with your trusts. Obviously if you're brand new it can take a little longer, but you can typically get to 99 in 1-4 weeks if new. Getting additional jobs to 99 can be done in a few days.

[R041]

The most important thing for me right now is - how fun is it immediately, and does it stay fun? I'm not really even considering end-game goals, I'm looking at this like an Open World FF CRPG. Which is exactly how it feels today, with Trusts, at my current level. I'm excited for the idea to explore and unlock spells with BLU, get Avatars with SMN, train animals with BST, and fear for my life just trying to go to the grocery store. If BLU in XIV were a Job in Eureka, I'd fall madly in love with it.

With XIV, I kinda have to promise good things later. Doesn't mean it's a bad game.. But it definitely has an extremely slow start, and should be sold more as a Visual Novel with some multiplayer. They're wildly different games.

XI immediately hooked into me as soon as I got Trusts. It felt like Final Fantasy. Kinda like I was jumping right back into XII, but a way more cryptic version of it, with people running around me. The music, equipment, environment, enemies - All brought me back to lovely pre-XIII Final Fantasy. Some of it has to do with low res textures and low bit music. I've been hit with massive nostalgia for a game I've never played. lol https://youtu.be/A9LLJelnG8I

I'm not going to sit here and argue about what XI was in 2002-2012, or how it plays late-game. I don't do Ultimates, I don't really raid anymore. That's not an appropriate comparison. I'm comparing it solely as a standalone Final Fantasy experience, which it is, in a new package, with new mystery.

I don't even know if I want to do any high-end that require groups, or 75 era stuff. I just wanna enjoy some solid FF.

Because if we're comparing 2002 XI, then we can sit here all day and talk about how ARR was rough too. But we shouldn't. Because that's not today's experience.

Also no, getting Lv20 doesn't take weeks, maybe a couple hours if you know what you're doing? As soon as I figured out Trusts, I was speeding through dungeons doing large pulls. People smoking rocks out here. lol

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I am impressed by how confidently you toss digs at a game you quit 15+ years ago, after a month of playing, before even making it out of the starting XP zone.

And why does it matter if people laud "old XI"? There was a lot of stuff that I loved about, and also things I disliked. People are allowed to enjoy different types of games. Just because you didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it sucked. But hey, old XI is gone, unless you play on private servers. If you're going to compare XIV to XI, it should be the current retail version.

Nowadays, hitting 99 is a walk in the park, and if you're looking to catch up to friends quickly, you can focus on just the story lines/ranks you need vs. having to complete every single last bit of MSQ from past expansions. And it can be done solo with your trusts. Obviously if you're brand new it can take a little longer, but you can typically get to 99 in 1-4 weeks if new. Getting additional jobs to 99 can be done in a few days.

Yes, it left quite the impression on me. And I have fought people trying to bring that into XIV, because I enjoy XIV.



So what you are saying is it can still take a month to catch up just in level if you start new. Sounds about like how long it would take to get through xivs story.

[R041]

Yes, it left quite the impression on me. And I have fought people trying to bring that into XIV, because I enjoy XIV.

So what you are saying is it can still take a month to catch up just in level if you start new. Sounds about like how long it would take to get through xivs story.

It doesn't take casual players a month to get through XIV Story.. Someone with a job that can only spend a couple hours a day on XIV means they're unlikely to even coop with friends most of the time, and are going to be spending roughly a year going through MSQ.

We're always comparing MMO goblins as if they're casual players. lol

The difference to me here is that, while that person is chugging through XIV MSQ, I can't really help them.. Maybe once every couple of days, for 10-15 minutes to get through an instance.

I do like that in XI someone could hypothetically just help me through anything I'm doing at any moment. Because the story/missions have me actually doing exploratory things most of the time. They could also level a job with me while doing it.

The problem I'm seeing with your type of mentality, which seems common among XIV players tbh.. Is that you make a large assumption that ANY type of system coming from XI will destroy the whole experience for XIV. Or for some reason you'll hate all of XIV because some of the systems carried over. I bet there's stuff in XIV that you don't even realize are direct 1:1 from XI. You're mostly just looking at 'old MMO' leveling, and not necessarily XI as a world or RPG.

People like you are so afraid of XIV being.. Anything other than a visual novel with housing. This is why everything is now boring and homogenized. Even the XIV devs got so bored they went to go make a new game. lol

[Naraku_Diabolos]

Xi is still there. I don't know why we need a new XI when the game is still up and running. I never got past the Dunes in XI because I couldn't keep a leveling party for more than a couple hours and no one in my LS wanted to go back to suffering in that place. It left a terrible impression of the game. After two weeks of struggling to get any kind of party together only for them to fall apart shortly after I just gave up and never looked back.

You can now solo with Trust NPCs like in XIV, and they scale with your job levels. I was soloing in Qufim with Gilgamesh and other NPCs and fights don’t last long anymore.

[Blossoming]

So I’ve played FFXI since 2003 and XIV 1.0 beta, I enjoy both games but in the current state I find XI much more enjoyable and social. It’s true back in its day XI was quite the time sink but the friends I made through those experiences together are people I am still friends with today almost 20 years later. I actively raided in XIV until ShB and fell more into its RP scene and currently player created events is the only thing keeping me subbed to XIV atm but even that I’m moving away from as I get more bored.

I find that in XI I’m motivated on what I want to do and I make a checklist and get after it because the gear I’m hunting down is still relevant even years later, I can help friends who just started as well and not worry about their ilevel and being locked out. Finding a linkshell is pretty easy now as you have the linkshell concierge that lets you pick up a pearl and a lot of the groups are dedicated to helping new players. I saw a comment about how XIV vs WoW early on was never a thing but I can assure you it was, One instance was the forum had a meltdown over the idea of even introducing jumping in game with ARR and went on a rant about how it was like WoW and everyone would be jump spamming ruining immersion and calling their characters “toons”

The thing that made XI fun was how varying the content was, you have content like ambuscade, omen, escha NMs, Sortie and plenty more to keep you busy until you progress into the next tier, XIV feels like everything’s just so heavily tied to collecting tomestones and the cycle repeats with the each ilvl bump, it just feels like a tired and bored formula. Say what you want about XI taking a long time to get certain things but the truth is those items retain their value long term.

Before people come yelling at me to quit XIV and just play XI, I pretty much already have done that and the only thing keeping my sub going is it being tied to my house which I use once a week for my venue.