The truth is we need a remastered XI or a follow up

[Ransu]

I am impressed by how confidently you toss digs at a game you quit 15+ years ago, after a month of playing, before even making it out of the starting XP zone.

And why does it matter if people laud "old XI"? There was a lot of stuff that I loved about, and also things I disliked. People are allowed to enjoy different types of games. Just because you didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it sucked. But hey, old XI is gone, unless you play on private servers. If you're going to compare XIV to XI, it should be the current retail version.

Nowadays, hitting 99 is a walk in the park, and if you're looking to catch up to friends quickly, you can focus on just the story lines/ranks you need vs. having to complete every single last bit of MSQ from past expansions. And it can be done solo with your trusts. Obviously if you're brand new it can take a little longer, but you can typically get to 99 in 1-4 weeks if new. Getting additional jobs to 99 can be done in a few days.

I think its funny you whine about MSQ in XIV, but to do end game in XI you still have to go through the same process of unlocking stuff which still takes a lot of time. They made CoP easier by removing the level sinks and getting to nation rank 10 is easier now as well, but it still takes quite a bit of time, especially Adoulin and reaching 99.

If someone really only cared about getting to end game in XIV you could skip all cutscenes and reach cap in just a few days and then go back and do NG+ once you're caught up. Either way, in both games you have to grind to get there in some form or another.

With that said. Combat in XI was NEVER good, so good luck convincing most people playing a remastered version of XI with that slow ass combat where you spend 99% of the time just staring at auto attacks.

Someone with a job that can only spend a couple hours a day on XIV means they're unlikely to even coop with friends most of the time, and are going to be spending roughly a year going through MSQ.

This is complete and total nonsense lmao. At a casual level playing for 2 or 3 hours a day you can finish the MSQ in a month or two if you focus just on the MSQ. If you skip cutscenes you can be done in a week.

[R041]

This is complete and total nonsense lmao. At a casual level playing for 2 or 3 hours a day you can finish the MSQ in a month or two if you focus just on the MSQ. If you skip cutscenes you can be done in a week.

ARR ALONE is a casual month. Some of you are just way too comfortable lying about how much time and effort MSQ takes while it also being a mostly solo VN journey. Maybe you've lied to yourself for so long you actually believe that.

[Ath192]

I think its funny you whine about MSQ in XIV, but to do end game in XI you still have to go through the same process of unlocking stuff which still takes a lot of time. They made CoP easier by removing the level sinks and getting to nation rank 10 is easier now as well, but it still takes quite a bit of time, especially Adoulin and reaching 99.

If someone really only cared about getting to end game in XIV you could skip all cutscenes and reach cap in just a few days and then go back and do NG+ once you're caught up. Either way, in both games you have to grind to get there in some form or another.

With that said. Combat in XI was NEVER good, so good luck convincing most people playing a remastered version of XI with that slow ass combat where you spend 99% of the time just staring at auto attacks.

Regardless of endgame stuff, which both games have their issues at endgame, lets be honest. I'd like for games to invest the travel and adventure sensation for immersion purposes. For example, in XIV they turned all the airships and boats into cutscenes instead of letting them run like they would actually run in game. A completely unnecessary move given that teleportation is all around the game.

So while people can argue that you can walk to places in XIV the design is obviously made with cutting out all the details and immersion slow travel would bring. We can't pretend the conveniences of teleportation and fast travel haven't impacted the design of the game, they have. It's a teleport first and "I guess you can walk?" game.

The game really feels hollow at times.

[Skivvy]

I think its funny you whine about MSQ in XIV, but to do end game in XI you still have to go through the same process of unlocking stuff which still takes a lot of time. They made CoP easier by removing the level sinks and getting to nation rank 10 is easier now as well, but it still takes quite a bit of time, especially Adoulin and reaching 99.

If someone really only cared about getting to end game in XIV you could skip all cutscenes and reach cap in just a few days and then go back and do NG+ once you're caught up. Either way, in both games you have to grind to get there in some form or another.

With that said. Combat in XI was NEVER good, so good luck convincing most people playing a remastered version of XI with that slow ass combat where you spend 99% of the time just staring at auto attacks.



This is complete and total nonsense lmao. At a casual level playing for 2 or 3 hours a day you can finish the MSQ in a month or two if you focus just on the MSQ. If you skip cutscenes you can be done in a week.

I will always whine about XIV forcing 100% MSQ completion to enjoy current endgame. You're delusional if you think people can get to endgame in XIV in 3 days just by skipping CSs. If your other points are going to be so well-made, not much point in responding further.

[Blossoming]

There is no way you can get through MSQ that fast, how many years of story is that lol

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

There is no way you can get through MSQ that fast, how many years of story is that lol

Were constantly told patches only add 2 hours of content.



So 5 patches times 4 expansions is only 20 hours of content.

Expansions are about 20. So that's... 100 hours. Base game takes 40 at most. 140 hours.

[R041]

Were constantly told patches only add 2 hours of content.

So 5 patches times 4 expansions is only 20 hours of content.

Expansions are about 40. So that's... 180 hours. Base game takes 60 at most. 240 hours. Now, that's content. Story can be done in much less.

Those aren't the small numbers you think they are, and we're not baking a cake. (Caught you editing - you don't even know what you're talking about)

And you know what, it's fine that XIV has a lot of MSQ content.. They just didn't do a great job of implementing it for an MMO, or even an RPG. It's surely a great linear Visual Novel though.

This is the type of misrepresentation I'm talking about - You can't even get your numbers figured out, you just assume it's a walk in the park and changing numbers to match a narrative.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Those aren't the small numbers you think they are, and we're not baking a cake. (Caught you editing - you don't even know what you're talking about)

And you know what, it's fine that XIV has a lot of MSQ content.. They just didn't do a great job of implementing it for an MMO, or even an RPG. It's surely a great linear Visual Novel though.

This is the type of misrepresentation I'm talking about - You can't even get your numbers figured out, you just assume it's a walk in the park and changing numbers to match a narrative.

I overestimated based on doing all of the content of the expansions, not story. Sue me.

[Blossoming]

It really has turned into a VN……most of my friends who still play said they probably will just be done if 7.0 doesn’t bring any positive changes outside of a graphical overhaul. I wish it wasn’t the case but the game most certainly is stagnating and keeps trending in that direction.

[Ransu]

ARR ALONE is a casual month. Some of you are just way too comfortable lying about how much time and effort MSQ takes while it also being a mostly solo VN journey. Maybe you've lied to yourself for so long you actually believe that.

Only way ARR takes a month to finish is if you're AFKing a lot or you walked everywhere and never used a teleport.

Regardless of endgame stuff, which both games have their issues at endgame, lets be honest. I'd like for games to invest the travel and adventure sensation for immersion purposes. For example, in XIV they turned all the airships and boats into cutscenes instead of letting them run like they would actually run in game. A completely unnecessary move given that teleportation is all around the game.

So while people can argue that you can walk to places in XIV the design is obviously made with cutting out all the details and immersion slow travel would bring. We can't pretend the conveniences of teleportation and fast travel haven't impacted the design of the game, they have. It's a teleport first and "I guess you can walk?" game.

The game really feels hollow at times.

Sorry, but I don't miss sitting around for 20 minutes waiting for the airship, then spending another 10 minutes doing absolutely nothing riding the airship. That stuff was a pointless time sink for the sake of a time sink. There's nothing immersive about that, its just annoying.