There is so much to do in this game that...

[Stormpeaks]

Again, this argument only make sense IF you have reason to believe people can only be invested in one activity at a time. I know I'm a far more diverse player now than I was 10-15 years ago. Maybe that's exactly why I'm drawn to this game? I know for sure the me from my college days wouldn't like this game as much as the current me do now. I had said in the other thread I used to be one of those "don't touch me you filthy casual", but these days I realized being a raider doesn't stop me from having fun in casual content.




So let's get this straight: you're going after me, who are in this thread repeatably advocate it's great people can enjoy different facet of a game, while ignore the actual people who actively look down or even openly hostile to the concept of social club itseft? You also somehow completely missed the context of my post was to show people who raid and people who do social content are not mutual exclusive. You essentially twisted a post that meant to be a defense of people doing clubs into one that bullying them?!?


Uh ... are you just THAT desperate? Like, feel free to come at me with all your disagreement as aggressive as you want. But this? This can't even be called an argument. There is no rationality or logic here, just your personal baggage showing, and it's petty.


FYI, I was probably the topic of jokes the most often because of my obsession with glam. But we all understood that it's only a joke if everyone, including the main subject find it fun. The reaction of the member in question was mostly "ohhhh you guys caught me, teehee". No one even cared about going into the detail. Or the fun police now extending their jurisdiction into joke among friends too!??

"We made fun of her for 2 weeks" is pretty self explainatory tbh, of course they'll find it "fun", not like they have much choice anyway, not sure what them going to a club has to do with the FC, and why there was a need to "caught" them, leave people alone to do what they want in their own time. There is no need to "make fun of them" because they go to a club. That is what I call petty, not Kolaina's opinion and post.

[MonteCristo]

My sweet, sweet summer child...please remain innocent.

Anyway, horrendous mod beasts and erotica are essentially the future of FFXIV. Once a game starts waning off its official developer-supported content, users have to make their own to fill the gap. According to FFXIV Venues, there are hundreds of clubs active right now on North America datacenters. And that's just on a Sunday, when it's usually the slowest. Clubbing is the de facto endgame for thousands of users, whether you like to admit it or not. The scene has exploded, and you're one of the only ones who've missed the boat. Most players have likely been to one. This is what puts FFXIV on the map these days. Not raiding, not casual gameplay. Clubbing. Erotic roleplay. Modding. Other forms of erotica. It's by far the most modding-friendly and laissez-faire MMO out there, and many people deeply cherish FFXIV specifically for these attributes because no other MMO is quite as generous as we are. That's the truth.

This isn't an endorsement or encouragement, it's just simply what our game has become.







We can generally agree that FFXIV is great for socializing. But Square Enix needs to stop wasting resources on raids then. That's not befitting the current spirit of the game. Imagine if they spent resources making more outfits, better housing, better clubbing tools, ability to play and mix tracks in-game instead of Twitch, official modding support, maybe even the ability to make custom housing items. That's what people really want. If you disagree, ask yourself: why are YOU so concerned about people not raiding enough?

As much as it pains me to admit.... this is the cold hard truth about ffxiv

[Saraide]

Are you forced to do the grind though ? I dont think you are. So why be "glad" when content that you dont like is axed ? So others dont get it even though they might like it ?

I didnt say I was glad content got axed

[Stormpeaks]

I didnt say I was glad content got axed

Treasure maps seem like prime sunday night gaming content but there is little need to make a PF about it. I assume most FCs and statics that do treasure runs dont actively search for people in PF as even just 3 people is no issue at all.

I dont have an issue with exploratory zones on principle but they seem very much linked to the idea of old school mmo grinding for the sake of it. I'm always glad when grinds like that get axed from the design philosophy.

What other types of content make sense to be PF'd that arent savage?

I'm sorry ? How is that not saying exactly that ? Grinds are content, no matter if you like it or not.

[Raven2014]

"We made fun of her for 2 weeks" is pretty self explainatory tbh

Are you one of those political activist who self-insert in between two friends making joke and decide to be offended on their behalf completely out of context? No one really "caught" anyone. And no one really made fun out of anyone's expense. That's the whole point you seems to miss ... on purpose I'm sure.

Yeah because making fun of someone for 2 weeks is such a great joke, just because they went to a venue, hilarious.

And my glam has been a year+ running of joke in the group, and please don't get offended on my behalf ok, I insist?

The only hilarious thing is how desperate you are trying to twist other people words.

[Kaurhz]

I'm sorry ? How is that not saying exactly that ? Grinds are content, no matter if you like it or not.

I mean if we're going on this premise that grinding is content regardless of peoples' personal feelings, then the game already has plenty of grinds embedded in it, and whether you do or don't like it absolutely sounds like a you problem.

[Jojoya]

The point here is that grinds can be good when they are in a vacuum. The game has done a very good job of not gating players out of content with a grind. Where the game design is flawed is removing grinds completely out of optional "in a vacuum" content.

Which grinds were removed that were completely optional and "in a vacuum"?

I think most players would disagree the relic weapon grinds are "in a vacuum" if that's what you're thinking about. You're talking about a weapon that is generally BiS once the final stage is completed. Even the current stage is giving players access to a 630 weapon, which is the best a player can get without doing some form of raiding.

All the grinds "in a vacuum" that I can think of still exist.

[Saraide]

I'm sorry ? How is that not saying exactly that ?

I'm glad you asked. The thing I'm glad about is the relic grind being less grindy. Instead of running new content into the ground like bozja did with delubrum it tells you to just do whatever roulette you want (or whatever else gives unrestricted tomes). I also didnt say content got axed from the game (bozja and eureka are still in the game last i checked). Meaningless grinds like 60 HW fates or 15 syrcus tower runs got axed from the design philosophy. You can still do 60 HW fates if you find that fun. It's just not part of the relic grind anymore.

[Stormpeaks]

Are you one of those political activist who self-insert in between two friends making joke and decide to be offended on their behalf completely out of context?

Yeah because making fun of someone for 2 weeks is such a great joke, just because they went to a venue, hilarious.

I mean if we're going on this premise that grinding is content regardless of peoples' personal feelings, then the game already has plenty of grinds embedded in it, and whether you do or don't like it absolutely sounds like a you problem.

It absolutely is, even fishing is a grind, anything can be a grind really, now an interesting grind that's a whole different story

I'm glad you asked. The thing I'm glad about is the relic grind being less grindy. Instead of running new content into the ground like bozja did with delubrum it tells you to just do whatever roulette you want (or whatever else gives unrestricted tomes). I also didnt say content got axed from the game (bozja and eureka are still in the game last i checked). Meaningless grinds like 60 HW fates or 15 syrcus tower runs got axed from the design philosophy. You can still do 60 HW fates if you find that fun. It's just not part of the relic grind anymore.

Relics arent mandatory though, if you didnt want to do the relic steps, you didnt have to do them, it was for those that liked to do it or at the very least could put up with it in order to get rewarded.

[Kaurhz]

Yeah because making fun of someone for 2 weeks is such a great joke, just because they went to a venue, hilarious.



It absolutely is, even fishing is a grind, anything can be a grind really, now an interesting grind that's a whole different story

Farming an obnoxious number of dungeons is hardly what constitutes an interesting grind. In fact, I would argue that Eureka was over-glorified FATE farming for 90% of the relic progression, with the only difference being you could light farm chain bonuses and adaptations/mutations - That is when the relics were relevant for 4.5x, but now? Now they're just glamour so it is 100% just FATE farming. Oh scratch that -- How could I forget killing the requisite monsters to spawn them in the first place.

What someone views as interesting is entirely a subjective matter.