There is so much to do in this game that...

[Ath192]

A: It was Sunday...
B: You're looking at the other tab where all that stuff belongs.
C: There are 22 high end PF groups in your picture, which is pretty good for a Sunday...Maybe click on that tab instead.
D: PF is primarily used for high end raiding, recruiting, other random stuff. No one uses it for general content because its not necessary.

Your take is bad and you should feel bad for trying to make such a take.

A - Sunday night is prime gaming time for a lot of people. You don't want to go out like Saturday and you are just winding down before the work week begins.

B - Doesn't matter which tab is selected, just the overall numbers. One is funnier though.

C - 22 groups for a game with millions of players isn't all that good, When you combine all 4 data centers maybe its a bit better?

D - PF is used for grouping up. The game doesn't have a lot content people are grouping up for right now. Lack of DD groups in particular is kind of sad since it just released. This is my main point.


I feel kind of good about it. IDK lol.

Moreover its just kind of a trend I've been seeing. I feel like I could screenshot Saturday and it would be similar. Truth is maybe Tuesday/Wed may be the most active regarding savage reclears but the tier is old so its died down quite a bit. It would be nice to see content released that people want to make groups for in DF thats not savage.

One could also make the argument they are not in PF, because they are busy in the new exploration zone, but there isn't one. Previous expansions I could go to them and see this. So I feel all people have to do is repeat dailies and grind savage or RP in its various forms.

[Turnintino]

Idk if I really see the activity of what are mostly buskers and club promoters as indicative of very much at all. They have to advertise so frequently and with such persistence because most players are indifferent, and the experiences from venue to venue are often virtually interchangeable. Their audiences are mostly regulars and one-off player-tourists who just wanna see what it's like after seeing it in /shout so often.

It has its niche, and it's not going anywhere, but I don't think social content like that and PvE/PvP content are mutually exclusive interests for many of the players in question. And the vocal minority of desperate advertisers doesn't count for much to begin with, imo. Being loud and visible is just what they do.

[Remish]

Something to consider is DC travel. These listings for both High End Duty AND Other are inflated by travelers. The Other tab might have more postings on one DC while the High End Duty has more on another. With people traveling all all over the place, it's more difficult to tell what the accurate ratio really looks like. Poor Dynamis for example. But one thing is for sure, most of the content activity does filter over to Aether. Meanwhile some venues have advertisers on every DC at the exact same time. This is before we start digging into the fact that some raiders are role players and some venue owners are also raiders.

[Saraide]

Treasure maps seem like prime sunday night gaming content but there is little need to make a PF about it. I assume most FCs and statics that do treasure runs dont actively search for people in PF as even just 3 people is no issue at all.

I dont have an issue with exploratory zones on principle but they seem very much linked to the idea of old school mmo grinding for the sake of it. I'm always glad when grinds like that get axed from the design philosophy.

What other types of content make sense to be PF'd that arent savage?

[TomsYoungerBro]

1. RP and ERP is not content

These factors exist whether the game has a content patch every day or no content patches at all.

2. Players have been conditioned to not play the game which is why the "well its x day at y time" excuse is such a common argument

Yes, there are peak times where more players are playing then other times for every game (not just ffxiv), but the fact even for current content it can be incredibly inactive in PF for a game this size is mind boggling. We know this game is not dead, yet it feels like it is.

[Ath192]

Treasure maps seem like prime sunday night gaming content but there is little need to make a PF about it. I assume most FCs and statics that do treasure runs dont actively search for people in PF as even just 3 people is no issue at all.

I dont have an issue with exploratory zones on principle but they seem very much linked to the idea of old school mmo grinding for the sake of it. I'm always glad when grinds like that get axed from the design philosophy.

What other types of content make sense to be PF'd that arent savage?

1. Criterion was a good start, but its execution in particular regarding its rewards turned it into a flub.

2. Island Sanctuary could've implemented some multiplayer/coop aspects to it that requires people helping out each other? I feel like PF would post listings for this and the casual base enjoying it. Imagine hosting boat/raft races around the island that increase the islands fame and so therefore your products get some cowry boosts when you rank up in fame. In turn, using island materials you could build and customize your own race boat and when people group up a random one is selected from a party of 3 or something. Each person is in charge of something like, rowing, steering, and sail control. A bit like sea of thieves. Once you have a premade you can queue and if there are no other premades you go against NPCs. Maybe a small evolution to chocobo racing. Anyways, this is completely made up, but just stuff like that.

3. I feel Eureka Orthos would have way more party listings if it weren't another clone of HoH. I see some people gathered but nowhere near the crowds I saw for previous DDs when they were not as tired of a design. But something like this would be good. Just not when its such a blatant clone. I've previously suggested more open air deep dungeons like forests/deserts/even oceans and archipelagos where your ship advances to the next set of islands every 10 levels with some immersive cutscenes and there's a few more activities than just random assortments of mobs.

Like:
Objective/treasure retrieval before the timer runs out
Ship repairs to escape as mobs get increasingly aggressive and buffed with each minute that passes
Discovering a tomb in the desert with more creative traps that can separate your group
Decision making that affects pathing

and finally I don't get glad when content gets axed. For example I don't go for crafting relics, just not my thing, but some people do enjoy grinding that out. And thats fine. There is a market for old school MMO stuff. Like there are people that do enjoy it so I don't see why not throw them a bone too. I guarantee you that for those people, if they threw a relic out there that was gorgeous but had no stats and it was locked behind an exploration zone and a huge grind they would be happy doing it.

[AnnRam]

"durr you can do whatever you want even if that implies installing +18 mods and turning the game in to devastated and horrible version of Second life, that's right, violate the TOS and brainwash everyone who approach the RP scene, mare for life bru".

[Stormpeaks]

Treasure maps seem like prime sunday night gaming content but there is little need to make a PF about it. I assume most FCs and statics that do treasure runs dont actively search for people in PF as even just 3 people is no issue at all.

I dont have an issue with exploratory zones on principle but they seem very much linked to the idea of old school mmo grinding for the sake of it. I'm always glad when grinds like that get axed from the design philosophy.

What other types of content make sense to be PF'd that arent savage?

Yeah let's not do grinds so everyone sits afk in Limsa like right now for example, barely anyone is playing the actual game and people are just afk in their house or in Limsa, with a certain percentage doing EO but that will fade pretty quickly too, and then what do people do ? Since there's no grind ? Fishing ?

[Saraide]

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Grinding for the sake of grinding isnt content. It's just rehashing content. Delubrum was interesting the first few times. It was no longer interesting after my fifth relic. I didnt say I was glad content got axed from the game, I said I'm glad when grinds get axed from the design philosophy. If exploratory zones can not exist without meaningless grinding then the conclusion we should draw from that is that it's just not good content but meaningless chores. You say the new deep dungeon is bad because it's just HoH copy pasted, that's what relics fundamentally achieve with everything they touch. If zones like bozja and eureka can not be distanced from relics and instead stand on their own feet as fun content to do then they are a failed concept.

This is a fundamental problem I have with most of the recent posts lamenting the lack of content: A lot of focus seems to go into demanding grinding content but very little thought is put into wanting that content to be fun on its own. Someone responded to me telling me that the current complainers are uninterested in content being fun on its own. I hope they are wrong.

[Saraide]

Yeah let's not do grinds so everyone sits afk in Limsa like right now for example, barely anyone is playing the actual game and people are just afk in their house or in Limsa, with a certain percentage doing EO but that will fade pretty quickly too, and then what do people do ? Since there's no grind ? Fishing ?

If you want me to give you a list of chores to do, I can come up with one. That's no problem at all.