Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[DixieBellOCE]

It isn't your choice which dungeon. I'll be on between 830-930 gmt. Hit me up and we'll set it up in PF. It's also not a 3 dps/1 tank party either. I already stated that I will be going as heals and not healing the tank whatsoever. Having a 3rd DPS defeats the purpose entirely. Don't try to change the conditions to make it more possible

Having a third DPS is the EXACT purpose of this, if you do not require a healer you bring another DPS.

But sure, jump over to Materia with your level 90 healer and lets do this.

[Raven2014]

Having a third DPS is the EXACT purpose of this, if you do not require a healer you bring another DPS.

No, rather I think you just entirely missed the purpose of the experiment. It's meant to replicate the condition of an "average" party, not to prove something possible or not possible with an elite party. Samething if you put together a raid group of 8 among the best players and do something really crazy and absurd thing, what would you prove? Absolutely nothing.

This is the dissonance between your side and the other side of the argument. I said it's a few page back, the point people like you are missing is if all contents is made challenge enough to entertain people at your level, those content will also become prohibited difficulty for the casual players. At the end of the day, you might take some pride in being a skill player, but to the game and developer, you're just another player that are no better or worse or different than the less skilled-players you're looking down to.

The whole "people need to learn to get better" is just a window-dressing for your desire of you simply want everyone to play in a way that will please you and you only. The game has already tried to give everyone a fair share of contents on different skill level. You're free to cross over into the content made for players in a different (lower) bracket than yours, but you don't get to dictate content at all bracket level have to cater to your desire.

[DixieBellOCE]

No, rather I think you just entirely missed the purpose of the experiment. It's meant to replicate the condition of an "average" party, not to prove something possible or not possible with an elite party. Samething if you put together a raid group of 8 among the best players and do something really crazy and absurd thing, what would you prove? Absolutely nothing.

This is the dissonance between your side and the other side of the argument. I said it's a few page back, the point people like you are missing is if all contents is made challenge enough to entertain people at your level, those content will also become prohibited difficulty for the casual players. At the end of the day, you might take some pride in being a skill player, but to the game and developer, you're just another player that are no better or worse or different than the less skilled-players you're looking down to.

The whole "people need to learn to get better" is just a window-dressing for your desire of you simply want everyone to play in a way that will please you and you only. The game has already tried to give everyone a fair share of contents on different skill level. You're free to cross over into the content made for players in a different (lower) bracket than yours, but you don't get to dictate content at all bracket level have to cater to your desire.

And what if an 'average' player wants to obtain some glamour from last expansion savage fights.

They wipe the group multiple times due to not understanding the basic mechanics of the game, or do not meet the DPS check to skip mechanics that would wipe the group.

Do these players need to get better, or should they just continue to be a burden on everyone else.

Because this happens far more often than you think.
People join older content with no fight knowledge or job knowledge and perform horribly, with the expectation that everyone else will just carry them, they will get their glamour and never do it again.

Even just a small ammount of effort to learn a fight, or learn a basic rotation is all that is required to get better at the game, if 5 minutes is 'a waste of time' to people, then they are hopeless.

[Gemina]

Having a third DPS is the EXACT purpose of this, if you do not require a healer you bring another DPS.

But sure, jump over to Materia with your level 90 healer and lets do this.

I'm the third DPS. Its just going to be a healing class. It should be pretty obvious why a 3rd DPS cant be used because we still have to do the dungeon under normal requirements. Not undersized. Dont worry, I'm not just going to be standing there watching. Don't like it. Too bad. I'll be on soon.

[Renalt]

I'm the third DPS. Its just going to be a healing class. It should be pretty obvious why a 3rd DPS cant be used because we still have to do the dungeon under normal requirements. Not undersized. Dont worry, I'm not just going to be standing there watching. Don't like it. Too bad. I'll be on soon.

Yo what server you guys doing this? I kinda want to be a DPS in this group. The fury between you two is doing it for me and now I just want to experience it first hand.

[Gemina]

Yo what server you guys doing this? I kinda want to be a DPS in this group. The fury between you two is doing it for me and now I just want to experience it first hand.

Her server is in AU so travel is not possible as far as I know. Your server however is in NA, so if you still have the itch, I can try to set something up this weekend and bring you along. Just remember I'm not tossing any heals, and this includes for DPS players and myself as well.