Why do people avoid getting better at the game?

[TaleraRistain]

There will always be that crowd that shouts for nerfs to content because they don't want to actually have to learn to play the game, Those players will complain about everything that makes them have to actually think while playing.

So? They're giving feedback, the same as anyone else can. The devs can choose to ignore it. They've done it in the past. There are a bunch of people in this thread complaining because people don't like something, don't do it, and then give feedback about why. It's the responsibility of the devs how they react to that feedback. If they care about retaining those players, then they're going to adjust things. We all have the same ability to petition the devs for things and it's up to them and their metrics and their ideas for the game what actions they decide to take.

[DixieBellOCE]

Care to test your mettle, bub? Come with me into a dungeon of my choosing. You tank, and I'll go as heals, and I'm simply not going to heal you. Let's see how you do. You game?

You realize that he is not joking right?

1 tank, 3 dps was a thing WEEK ONE of endwalker using 560/570 gear from class quests and extreme trials.

we are now at 630ilvl and stuff does not do damage.

[Bunnycake]

All evidence the contrary. Because if you did you'd have a counter argument at very least instead of a snide comment that does nothing to dispute what I'm talking about.

Care to try again, champ? Or do you want to continue to troll with more verbal garbage?

[DixieBellOCE]

What a bad excuse. Look up the rotation on discord? Most people would already improve by 300% if they could keep their GCD rolling for more than 10% of the dungeon. Thats how bad the average player is.

I mean shin isnt wrong.

When you see people with 60% GCD uptime on a regular basis, it's like they never learned the ABC's of MMO gameplay. (ALWAYS BE CASTING)

[Themarvin]

if you look at it.. then Ultimates and Savage is also casual gaming... when you get used to the stuff... it would be the same as doing the same variants in the Storymode setting in a figure of speech...

Or if you want to listen to it in another way... you just gotta climb the mountain first, meaning learning curve.

Why should I move my tank out of stupid when pulled wall to wall when I got skills to mitigate and get HP back and doing massive damage as a tank? There is no need as you are pretty much immortal as a tank towards it and a healer can casual spotheal it as well.

[Gemina]

You realize that he is not joking right?

1 tank, 3 dps was a thing WEEK ONE of endwalker using 560/570 gear from class quests and extreme trials.

we are now at 630ilvl and stuff does not do damage.

Neither am I. I'm more than happy to pull him or anyone else into an instance and toss zero heals their way for them to put their money where there mouth is. The condition however, is it will be a dungeon of my choosing.

I'm fully aware that there are plenty of dungeon bosses that can be done without heals. It's one of my biggest gripes as a healer as it can be demoralizing if you die as a healer and the group beats the boss anyway. However the trade off for having bosses that will wipe the group if the healer falls is the wipe is on them. It's a very tricky situation so I understand why the dev team uses both approaches with dungeon bosses.

That's a little beyond my point though. The poster I called out gaslights into dungeons being like this in general, which is not true, and I'm willing to back that up. In short, his statement is not a testament to how easy dungeons are. Some players actually do struggle with this content, and players like him don't help.

[DixieBellOCE]

Neither am I. I'm more than happy to pull him or anyone else into an instance and toss zero heals their way for them to put their money where there mouth is. The condition however, is it will be a dungeon of my choosing.

I'm fully aware that there are plenty of dungeon bosses that can be done without heals. It's one of my biggest gripes as a healer as it can be demoralizing if you die as a healer and the group beats the boss anyway. However the trade off for having bosses that will wipe the group if the healer falls is the wipe is on them. It's a very tricky situation so I understand why the dev team uses both approaches with dungeon bosses.

That's a little beyond my point though. The poster I called out gaslights into dungeons being like this in general, which is not true, and I'm willing to back that up. In short, his statement is not a testament to how easy dungeons are. Some players actually do struggle with this content, and players like him don't help.

Well if we are talking any dungeon shb and endwalker, ill gladly jump in with 3 dps and a tank, Since endgame is relevant.

The damage and general tankiness of players at level 80+ is far beyond what it should be, warriors especially can almost solo dungeons with their self healing and mitigation

I have soloed Delubrum reginae as a warrior, a raid that scales from 8 to 24 people. This should not be possible but unfortunately the way tanks are designed is beyond stupid.

There is a video of a group AUTO ATTACKING a normal mode raid boss to death in 6.1. (Yes it took over an hour, but that is the level of difficulty that the game is throwing at people)

And the worst thing is that i actually main healer....

[Renalt]

it's like they never learned the ABC's of MMO gameplay. (ALWAYS BE CASTING)

Oh! SO that's what the ABCs of MMOs stand for.

I...uh...thought it meant something else.

[Yukimin]

I wish they never nerfed countless instances. If ANY type of content is hard, people should just suck it up and get good. That's how I did it and I see no reason why new players shouldn't do the same.
There is nothing more satisfying than slowly getting better at the game, it honestly gave me a sense of accomplishment.

[DixieBellOCE]

I wish they never nerfed countless instances. If ANY type of content is hard, people should just suck it up and get good. That's how I did it and I see no reason why new players shouldn't do the same.
There is nothing more satisfying than slowly getting better at the game, it honestly gave me a sense of accomplishment.

Honestly the most sense of accomplishment i got from this expansion was the first EX4 clear on day 1.

That fight was, what i would consider, an Extreme difficulty fight.

All the others have kinda fallen flat in terms of mechanics, EX5 is an absolute joke since there is a braindead strategy for the spins and positions.

Surmounting the insurmountable is a good feeling.