Yoshi-P lied

[ForteNightshade]

Sorry but I cant personally relate to this as I enjoy playing other games and have a working job and a tight schedule, and I learned not to just rush things (even though you claim to have done so). Grinds get boring extremely fast and I cannot sit through doing the same thing for more than an hour. So the content grind presented to me in this patch with Deep Dungeon, Weapon relic and Crafter/Gatherer relic I cannot do within a single day because its not fun. I can only feasibly do a bit at a time and then move on to something else. So while yes, theoretically these grinds for can be done within a day, I just lack the time and interest to do such a thing because its seriously not worth it imo.

So what I basically wind up doing is spreading the grinds out a little bit each day so it doesnt get stale nor boring in my short playtime and I can focus on other things. This way, I can avoid burnout and still have some enjoyment playing the game so what it winds up doing is this content taking me more than a week to fully complete. The fact that Im even allowed to do something like this in an MMO and not feel pressured to rush is a fresh of breath air for my time.

I assume you meant to say I didn't rush things given the context of your response. For the sake of argument, and because people continuously belabor that point, there isn't content to rush. It simply lacks any sort of longevity. Hence my examples of the MSQ and 24 man which are one and done occurrences as are the side quests. It won't take you more than a couple days to complete the former two while the side quests are little more than an hour if I'm being very generous. Even if you did only one of each a day, all of them combined still wouldn't last a week. Moving to the relic step, all you need to do is complete every roulette for the day except MSQ and you'll have a relic every second day. This assumes you do literally nothing else that rewards Astronomy. Per Yoshida's own words, "several players like to collect 3-4" relics, this wouldn't last someone taking their time more than two weeks. Basically, unless you want to collect half the relics or more, you're done with everything 3.5 offers in just two weeks. And that is assuming a rather slow progression curve. Which goes on to illustrate the point myself and others have been making: people aren't rushing content. There just isn't anything to do.

Now I do want to address a particular comment you made: "I just lack the time and interest to do such a thing because its seriously not worth it imo."

This sort of invalidates your argument, though I don't believe you intend it to. Those of us who are interested in playing the game want actual content to partake in. If you aren't interested in <insert grind> don't participate in it? This is not unlike the Ultimate argument. If it isn't content you want to do, don't. Trying to justify it's okay for there to be a complete lack of content longevity so you can play other games or because the grind wouldn't interest you... doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Nothing is stopping you from playing other games if say, another Exploratory zone were made or they brought over Mystic+ but tailored it to suit FFXIV. Not saying they should do either but rather spit-balling off the top of my head.

People upset with the lack of longevity want a reason to actually play FFXIV. That doesn't mean they need content to anchor them down for months on end or that if such content existed it suddenly forces those of you who dislike it to participate.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I assume you meant to say I didn't rush things given the context of your response. For the sake of argument, and because people continuously belabor that point, there isn't content to rush. It simply lacks any sort of longevity. Hence my examples of the MSQ and 24 man which are one and done occurrences as are the side quests. It won't take you more than a couple days to complete the former two while the side quests are little more than an hour if I'm being very generous. Even if you did only one of each a day, all of them combined still wouldn't last a week. Moving to the relic step, all you need to do is complete every roulette for the day except MSQ and you'll have a relic every second day. This assumes you do literally nothing else that rewards Astronomy. Per Yoshida's own words, "several players like to collect 3-4" relics, this wouldn't last someone taking their time more than two weeks. Basically, unless you want to collect half the relics or more, you're done with everything 3.5 offers in just two weeks. And that is assuming a rather slow progression curve. Which goes on to illustrate the point myself and others have been making: people aren't rushing content. There just isn't anything to do.

Now I do want to address a particular comment you made: "I just lack the time and interest to do such a thing because its seriously not worth it imo."

This sort of invalidates your argument, though I don't believe you intend it to. Those of us who are interested in playing the game want actual content to partake in. If you aren't interested in <insert grind> don't participate in it? This is not unlike the Ultimate argument. If it isn't content you want to do, don't. Trying to justify it's okay for there to be a complete lack of content longevity so you can play other games or because the grind wouldn't interest you... doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Nothing is stopping you from playing other games if say, another Exploratory zone were made or they brought over Mystic+ but tailored it to suit FFXIV. Not saying they should do either but rather spit-balling off the top of my head.

People upset with the lack of longevity want a reason to actually play FFXIV. That doesn't mean they need content to anchor them down for months on end or that if such content existed it suddenly forces those of you who dislike it to participate.

I fail with words but what I mean is grinds are never really fun. I'm motivated to do them because of the reward at the end which is the weapon. I like collecting them but the process of doing so as a grind is not something I would enjoy for longer than necessary. Add that with my time being at a premium, I dont want to force myself spamming roulettes or other activities have you in order to get it over with. So I use my time sparingly every day and because of that it helps prolong the acquirement for the weapon but at the benefit of me still enjoying my time with the game.