Yoshi-P lied

[Byron-Blackfyre]

Once more...empathy doesn't forgo facts. I can be empathic yet still acknowledge the fact of the matter. That's what YOU aren't getting. I get wanting to keep a home you worked on but me saying you aren't forced to do anything doesn't all of a sudden make me someone who lacks empathy. Per the definition of force it literally doesn't apply here. Also I love the assumptions you're making. I don't join big fcs. I don't care for meat farms. Next how tf do you know I don't raise funds? I give money anytime our fc needs stuff. (Mostly being airship mats). I don't craft at all but I'll go gather or buy mats for my fc. House was decorated a year before I got to my current fc. Nothing you say will take my fun out of doing anything. You're a random in a site full of randoms, myself included lol

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

the physical and mental toll it takes to get a house in FF14 is unreal which is why losing it feels like a gut-punch. in ESO my partner just bought a guild-hall for us, and it's instanced so our dark brotherhood "kvatch" sanctuary is still around even though we took a break from the game.

[IkaraGreydancer]

the physical and mental toll it takes to get a house in FF14 is unreal which is why losing it feels like a gut-punch. in ESO my partner just bought a guild-hall for us, and it's instanced so our dark brotherhood "kvatch" sanctuary is still around even though we took a break from the game.

Trust me. I 100% understand that. All my original point was is that you aren't forced to do anything. It's all within our hands as we know the rules. I never said people shouldnt care about their homes or that some folks didn't go through alot for them. Heck I've never even defended the current system we have. I just believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. I went through hell to get my home but I choose to do all of that knowing the situation around housing. I lost that very house I went through hell for some years ago because I decided to take a very long break from xiv. Was it unfortunate? Ofc. But I made that choice n blame no one for that loss but me. My current home I've kept up with. Told myself I'm not losing another home especially as I just happened to get this randomly and it's literally right next door to my partners (obtained pre lottery as well). And to put it out there I'm 100% for instanced housing so all can share in the experience of homeowning.

Also for the person under me, the moment you put false labels on someone for having a different opinion you immediately become someone not worth listening to. And yall want to preach empathy lol
"Empathy for me but not for thee". Good joke.

[R041]

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We're not disagreeing that it's within our own will to keep or lapse a sub, and to own a house. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it's FOMO encouraged, and to lose that achievement is devastating overall. Plenty of things are within our own will but are still encouraged by FOMO and take advantage of that will.

We're brick walls arguing with each other. Stop telling people to not be upset. That's the problem.

It's not that we have our own will. It's that we retain the right to be upset about shitty systems. Especially when they're engrained into the fiber of how MMORPGs themselves work. Especially when XIV is widely praised for even having housing. But for some reason you feel it's necessary to say otherwise. Even though you also admit that it's shit to some degree. You're so adamant to telling people that they shouldn't enjoy the things they've worked toward. So why even engage in this discussion, what are you really trying to gain?

Do you see how that makes you seem like more of a petty troll? When you're just arguing for the sake of argument. Your point is meaningless in the grand scheme, because we all know that to be a fact. But it doesn't change how we feel about these things.

It's literally the same shit as you telling me "Yeah well Yoshi told you to take breaks" when there's no content. Like sure. We can take breaks. But that doesn't take away from the fact that there's nothing to do. Both can be true. Your fact doesn't take away from my fact. So I don't know why it's so important to continue telling me otherwise.

[Vahlnir]

We're not disagreeing that it's within our own will to keep or lapse a sub, and to own a house. But it doesn't take away from the fact that it's FOMO encouraged, and to lose that achievement is devastating overall. Plenty of things are within our own will but are still encouraged by FOMO and take advantage of that will.

We're brick walls arguing with each other. Stop telling people to not be upset. That's the problem.

It's not that we have our own will. It's that we retain the right to be upset about shitty systems. Especially when they're engrained into the fiber of how MMORPGs themselves work. Especially when XIV is widely praised for even having housing. But for some reason you feel it's necessary to say otherwise. Even though you also admit that it's shit to some degree. You're so adamant to telling people that they shouldn't enjoy the things they've worked toward. So why even engage in this discussion, what are you really trying to gain?

Ikara is like a few posters around here. They will argue in circles with you until you give up out of frustration, and say that you need to chill as they continue to rile you up. I guess that's considered a win? It's not really about being right. It's about having the last word. But yeah, I don't really engage with them if I can really help it.

[SannaR]

Ikara is like a few posters around here. They will argue in circles with you until you give up out of frustration, and say that you need to chill as they continue to rile you up. I guess that's considered a win? It's not really about being right. It's about having the last word. But yeah, I don't really engage with them if I can really help it.

But Ikara isn't saying that RO41 can't enjoy the things they do in the game. Ikara also isn't showing a lack of empathy either. They did the same things went through the same things. Yet because they say they will be fine mostly in the long run that if for some reason the servers shut down later today or something came up to the point their sub went lax for so long that they lost their in game house that they're some how not showing empathy. Or that they're some how telling RO41 that they're not allowed to enjoy the thing(s) they enjoy in the game. They're just saying that you can still enjoy your house, but you realistically shouldn't be as attached to it as some are. Which is probably an unhealthy thing to do. You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

[Vahlnir]

You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

That I can agree with. If I were to lose my house, yeah I'd be disappointed, maybe a little salty, but I'd get over it.

Be she wants to be more righter for some reason.

And I agree with this as well.

[R041]

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It's not even that I'm obsessively attached. But you read what she went through. You think that's an enjoyable experience? I like housing enough to never want to go through that shit again, so I'm encouraged to keep my sub active so that I can both enjoy this content and not have to lose my mind. I'm not quitting, I'm bored. If I didn't want to play anything but combat* then yes I'd just quit completely. But that's not the case.

It's just lack of understanding and empathy. We can both be right. Be she wants to be more righter for some reason.

The discussion is really just:

Me: "I wish I could unsub and not worry about the things I worked for."
Them: "Why do you care?"
Me: "Because I care.."
Them: "Yeah, but you shouldn't care"
Me: "Sure, but I still care."
Them: "Yeah but come on, just quit and leave it all behind."
Me: "Nah.. I care just enough."
Them: "But Yoshi is gonna delete it anyway"

You see how dumb that is? lol

"Why enjoy life, when you know the universe will explode"

You are obligated to agree with the conditions of a contract in Real Life. The same sense of obligation is agreed upon when you play a video game, whether it has a subscription or not.
You want a house, knowing about demolition and the requirements for a subscription to prevent it? Either you are obligated to fulfill the conditions for the house, or you decline the contract.
What is there to argue?

"Yeah well you signed the contract, HOA has the ability to take your home if you don't pay the $20 fee"

Sure, but it's still fucking stupid. lol

Do people here just blindly follow and are okay with all contracts and obligations? Now I know why capitalism is destroying us.

[IkaraGreydancer]

But Ikara isn't saying that RO41 can't enjoy the things they do in the game. Ikara also isn't showing a lack of empathy either. They did the same things went through the same things. Yet because they say they will be fine mostly in the long run that if for some reason the servers shut down later today or something came up to the point their sub went lax for so long that they lost their in game house that they're some how not showing empathy. Or that they're some how telling RO41 that they're not allowed to enjoy the thing(s) they enjoy in the game. They're just saying that you can still enjoy your house, but you realistically shouldn't be as attached to it as some are. Which is probably an unhealthy thing to do. You shouldn't get so attached to something digital to the point where if you lost it tomorrow it's going to affect you so badly that you'll be a sobbing hot mess for the next week or whatnot.

I'm glad at least one person understands where I'm coming from. I know folks don't like me here and I get labeled all the time. I simply just see things for what they are. I can say til im blue in the face that I understand why folks feel the way that they do. I just have to point out that in the end we have to operate around the systems presented to us. And if we'd rather not we always have to choice to not engage. I don't care to be "more righter" nor am I talking in circles. People will just disagree with me and sadly...I can't do anything to change that. Their minds are made up.

Enjoy what you will people. Just don't disregard the reality..

[SannaR]

I'm glad at least one person understands where I'm coming from. I know folks don't like me here and I get labeled all the time. I simply just see things for what they are. I can say til im blue in the face that I understand why folks feel the way that they do. I just have to point out that in the end we have to operate around the systems presented to us. And if we'd rather not we always have to choice to not engage. I don't care to be "more righter" nor am I talking in circles. People will just disagree with me and sadly...I can't do anything to change that. Their minds are made up.

Enjoy what you will people. Just don't disregard the reality..

You're welcome. I have also had similar "conversations" where the person you're trying to have a discussion where they're just not understanding for whatever reason what you're say. To the point where even though you do your best in trying to be clear in what you're trying to say the other person doesn't or refuses to try. To the point that they start claiming you're saying something you're not. Or trying to change the scope of the conversation.

[Byron-Blackfyre]

Trust me. I 100% understand that. All my original point was is that you aren't forced to do anything. It's all within our hands as we know the rules. I never said people shouldnt care about their homes or that some folks didn't go through alot for them. Heck I've never even defended the current system we have. I just believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. I went through hell to get my home but I choose to do all of that knowing the situation around housing. I lost that very house I went through hell for some years ago because I decided to take a very long break from xiv. Was it unfortunate? Ofc. But I made that choice n blame no one for that loss but me. My current home I've kept up with. Told myself I'm not losing another home especially as I just happened to get this randomly and it's literally right next door to my partners (obtained pre lottery as well). And to put it out there I'm 100% for instanced housing so all can share in the experience of homeowning

it's really cool that you managed to get a house next to your partner. well, if we're both in favour of instanced housing then we agree on the same principles for the most part.
I wish you an excellent day.

-eastern bow-