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[IkaraGreydancer]

You always just completely miss the point. Your analogy doesn't even compare. Digital or not, it's still something we consider we own on some level. Are you saying you'd be fine if your accounts were just deleted today?

It's more like unsubbing from Netflix and then you lost your favorite movies and shows it took years to obtain. When you re-sub you go to buy them again but Netflix decided to implement a lottery with artificial limited FOMO.

You're probably not the owner of your FC Large, because you completely lack any empathy for other people's concerns. Ask your FC Lead how it would feel to unsub for 4 months.

I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason as they own everything.

Even my fc lead doesn't feel she's forced to sub just to keep our home. But she loves the game and we're always doing stuff together as an fc so that doesn't apply to her. My fc from before my current had leads that just up n left, didn't care about the home (that was obtained via placard clicking btw). There was no force present. They made their choice, same choice everyone has.

Empathy doesn't forgo facts, and the fact is you aren't forced to do anything in xiv. It is all a choice.

[R041]

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason.

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

[Kes13a]

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

[Byron-Blackfyre]

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

FF11 was made in 2002 and it's still around. Sure, one day in the future FF14 might have its servers shut down. that's always a possibility. however, how plausible is that currently? chances are it'll be around for at least another 10 + years. there are many MMOs in maintenance mode.

[R041]

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

This doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to delete my shit.

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

So you do understand, and still lack empathy for others. See how salty you got? lool
And instead of your partner, it's also your FC.

Now also imagine I just deleted it right after you put all of that effort in. (While the game servers are still running. Dumb hypotheticals about the servers shutting down for good are dumb.)

[IkaraGreydancer]

I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

This doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to delete my shit.



So you do understand, and still lack empathy for others. See how salty you got? lool

Now imagine I just deleted it right after you put all of that effort in.

You're just a petty troll. That much is clear just from that response. Grow tf up for your sake...
Wake up to reality, it'll do you some good

[R041]

You're just a petty troll. That much is clear just from that response. Grow tf up for your sake...

I'm not a troll, but I can be petty. Because you just want to win for some reason. Meanwhile I'm trying to get you to comprehend other people's feelings. So you understand these things are difficult, yet fail to grasp the frustration of others.

You understand that it's difficult, you understand that you can't let your sub lapse after that difficulty. Yet tell other people they shouldn't worry and they should just be fine with the idea that they can let their sub lapse and lose all of that effort. Yours was also probably just a Small, and see how frustrating and difficult that was?

So yes, SE can shut down their servers tomorrow. But they're not. And until we all lose our houses, I will be salty if my house gets deleted for lapsing my sub. I will continue to keep my sub active because to do otherwise would be painful if I ever wanted to play XIV again. Which I do. I'm just currently bored is all. Doesn't mean I hate XIV.

YES THERE IS THE REALITY THAT WE CAN ALL LOSE EVERYTHING, NOBODY IS SAYING OTHERWISE. WHY ARE YOU STILL BRINGING IT UP?

Tomorrow I could get cancer. I could die on Friday. I still retain the right to be upset over dumb things.

[Kes13a]

I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

I actually do have empathy for your position, and trying to help you avoid something I already went through in another game. I played Star Wars Galaxies for many years, I put in a lot of effort, loved the game, had issues but I over looked that because I enjoyed it. Managed to unlock Jedi and put time and effort into that. Then... they gutted the game with something called the "New Game Experience" and completely destroyed everything I had worked very very hard and long for. I learned the hard way that putting your life tears and massive effort into a video game, is bad for you mentally. was just trying to point you in a direction to avoid the same trauma. chances are I enjoy a LOT of the things you do, I just view them from a different perspective.

lack of empathy? your call of course, but I dont think not agreeing with you is showing a lack of empathy, just a different viewpoint.

[R041]

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Thanks - I really appreciate it. I'm not trying to be a dick. But some things just come off as complete lack of empathy, when we're all just trying to come to a mutual agreement on what things suck, and what things work regardless of what's within our control.

I also played SWG, we owned a large Bounty Hunter city. Getting all of those messages about everyone quitting and destroying everything was devastating.

Just. Nope. Been there. Done that. Left the movie theatre before it finished.

What are you talking about, Wildstar the game, or the housing? Because you can think a game is shit while also understand that it retains some good systems.

Are you actually saying what we have now is better than your own, non FOMO (everyone gets one) private world?

A contract is entered willingly by both parties. There is no 'force' involved.

Not.. Always the case. No. There's a bit nuance and some complexity with willingness.. There can be some form of compromise, and regardless of you signing said contract, you may not always like all of the obligations - You can retain the right to disagree with those obligations while also signing said contract. It's literally what the political system is.

When you start a new job, do you have to agree with all points in the contract? No, it's often a form of compromise.

Come on, I know you're an old dude - You understand these nuances. It's not so black and white as "We both signed". Also, for players that have been with XIV for as long as we have, we understand that things evolve over time. That doesn't mean I'm under some weird contract that I have to agree with everything Yoshi and CBU:III does. I don't always agree with the changes. Sometimes I do.

This discussion completely disregards all changes we've been through the past decade. We can be upset at stupid shit. We retain that right. Even while playing said game.

[Kes13a]

Thanks - I really appreciate it. I'm not trying to be a dick. But some things just come off as complete lack of empathy, when we're all just trying to come to a mutual agreement on what things suck, and what things work regardless of what's within our control.

I also played SWG, we owned a large Bounty Hunter city. Getting all of those messages about everyone quitting and destroying everything was devastating.

Yeah, Smedley is the reason I no longer have loyalty to any gaming company. There is a person who personifies "lack of empathy" with his "dont let the door hit you on the way out" message to the players who paid for an expansion when he knew that what they got...was not what they paid for.