Yoshi-P lied

[R041]

I don't get to say "oh Neflix is forcing me to to keep my subscription if I want to keep access to my shows/movies".

You always just completely miss the point. Your analogy doesn't even compare. Digital or not, it's still something we consider we own on some level. Are you saying you'd be fine if your accounts were just deleted today?

It's more like unsubbing from Netflix and then you lost your favorite movies and shows it took years to obtain. When you re-sub you go to buy them again but Netflix decided to implement a lottery with artificial limited FOMO.

You're probably not the owner of your FC Large, because you completely lack any empathy for other people's concerns. Ask your FC Lead how it would feel to unsub for 4 months.

Owning a house is endgame content? Since when? A lot of people treat a house in this game the same way people treat the mentor crown as a symbol of status. To the point they don't decorate their house. Or if they do they don't go inside of it and just afk somewhere else. Only to step inside and do a quick interaction with something inside to reset the timer.

There are a lot of people in XIV that play just for housing. Just as some may do it for Ultimates, or Achievement Hunting. There are a lot of those that find their end-game to be housing and crafting.

You don't have to like it, but XIV has put a lot of effort into making sure everything revolves around housing to some degree with how many housing rewards we're given, and how housing has long-term incentives.

To deny that is just ignorant at best.

[Byron-Blackfyre]

I decided to take a break from ff14 and play fire emblem fates until more content is released.

[IkaraGreydancer]

You always just completely miss the point. Your analogy doesn't even compare. Digital or not, it's still something we consider we own on some level. Are you saying you'd be fine if your accounts were just deleted today?

It's more like unsubbing from Netflix and then you lost your favorite movies and shows it took years to obtain. When you re-sub you go to buy them again but Netflix decided to implement a lottery with artificial limited FOMO.

You're probably not the owner of your FC Large, because you completely lack any empathy for other people's concerns. Ask your FC Lead how it would feel to unsub for 4 months.

I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason as they own everything.

Even my fc lead doesn't feel she's forced to sub just to keep our home. But she loves the game and we're always doing stuff together as an fc so that doesn't apply to her. My fc from before my current had leads that just up n left, didn't care about the home (that was obtained via placard clicking btw). There was no force present. They made their choice, same choice everyone has.

Empathy doesn't forgo facts, and the fact is you aren't forced to do anything in xiv. It is all a choice.

[R041]

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason.

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

[Byron-Blackfyre]

I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

Frankly I'm tired of you trying to assassinate my character at every turn. I've stated nothing but the truth on that matter. The truth that's even present in the ToS. They can terminate at ANY time for ANY reason as they own everything.

Even my fc lead doesn't feel she's forced to sub just to keep our home. But she loves the game and we're always doing stuff together as an fc so that doesn't apply to her. My fc from before my current had leads that just up n left, didn't care about the home (that was obtained via placard clicking btw). There was no force present. They made their choice, same choice everyone has.

Empathy doesn't forgo facts, and the fact is you aren't forced to do anything in xiv. It is all a choice.

choices are encouraged through design. that's the point you are missing. anyone who financed a large house and won a lottery to get it, then spent hours decorating it with their friends, will feel pressure to continue subscribing. my FC's leader is taking a break because her dad is in hospital and she is pretty much burned out, but she hasn't dropped her sub because the house has too many memories that are of sentimental value.

[SannaR]

There are a lot of people in XIV that play just for housing. Just as some may do it for Ultimates, or Achievement Hunting. There are a lot of those that find their end-game to be housing and crafting.

You don't have to like it, but XIV has put a lot of effort into making sure everything revolves around housing to some degree with how many housing rewards we're given, and how housing has long-term incentives.

To deny that is just ignorant at best.

The thing is when people toss around end game content they tend to mean a thing you can grind. And for me a house doesn't offer that repeatability. Sure you can tare down your theme or design and change it. And I get that for some that is fun. But once it's done there isn't anything left to do why i said that many people don't even go inside their house once it's decorated. If they even decorate it at all. Not everyone is turning their house into a venue of some sort where they host parties or events. Normally night clubs are ran by FCs. And don't bring up gardening cause sure it can help gain you some gil but it's pretty very similar to what you do on an Island Sanctuary.

I own a house heck I owned a house took a break due to having to move. Purposely let said house auto demo. Restarted from scratch went for years without a house, FC room or an apartment. Then the decorating bug bit me and I got a house under the old system. Only got my medium with 6.3 decorated and spend most of my time inside it. Yet I don't consider it as end game content. Yes, I know I'm very lucky to have a house in game and gotten one twice along with an upgrade. It still doesn't change my view about housing being end game content.

[SannaR]

choices are encouraged through design. that's the point you are missing. anyone who financed a large house and won a lottery to get it, then spent hours decorating it with their friends, will feel pressure to continue subscribing. my FC's leader is taking a break because her dad is in hospital and she is pretty much burned out, but she hasn't dropped her sub because the house has too many memories that are of sentimental value.

You do know that anyone in an FC can go into the house interact with something and reset the timmer, right? The only thing an FC leader has to do is to log in in order to stay as the leader of an FC.

[Byron-Blackfyre]

The thing is when people toss around end game content they tend to mean a thing you can grind. And for me a house doesn't offer that repeatability. Sure you can tare down your theme or design and change it. And I get that for some that is fun. But once it's done there isn't anything left to do why i said that many people don't even go inside their house once it's decorated. If they even decorate it at all. Not everyone is turning their house into a venue of some sort where they host parties or events. Normally night clubs are ran by FCs. And don't bring up gardening cause sure it can help gain you some gil but it's pretty very similar to what you do on an Island Sanctuary.

I own a house heck I owned a house took a break due to having to move. Purposely let said house auto demo. Restarted from scratch went for years without a house, FC room or an apartment. Then the decorating bug bit me and I got a house under the old system. Only got my medium with 6.3 decorated and spend most of my time inside it. Yet I don't consider it as end game content. Yes, I know I'm very lucky to have a house in game and gotten one twice along with an upgrade. It still doesn't change my view about housing being end game content.

depends on how you feel about end-game. for ultimate raiders and savage proggers, end-game is challenging pve. for people who love deep dungeons, their end-game is score-pushing potd, hoh, and eo. for people who enjoy social community events, housing plays a big part in what they consider to be their end-game within ff14. just because you don't think something is the most important part of your ff14 experience, doesn't mean that is the case for others.

[R041]

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I can respect that - But if you took any sprout and asked them what their end-goal is, it will probably be a house. To grind for that house and have a place of their own. They can continue to grind out raids, trials, ultimates. But where do they put those rewards? What's the 1 constant that they can continue to go back to when the raid series is over, to deco, to build friendships around, to socialize.

When I think of end-game, even going way back to Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, etc - It's having completed your goals and working on your house/guild/town and socializing. Always has been. It's the oldest end-game in MMORPGs. Some MMO players may just go AFK, but others try and build the avenues for social interaction.

[Kes13a]

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day