Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Imora]

I can't believe there's actually people here defending cheating.

I'd have taken it up with them first, possibly, their reaction would have been the motivator for the kick(being an entitled douche, for example), but I see nothing wrong with removing them. Your static, your rules. And if people leave because they condone cheating, then so be it.

I'm guessing everyone here defending that guy heavily mods their game like its Skyrim.

[Kansene]

I can't believe there's actually people here defending cheating.

It's not cheating if I tell you it isn't though.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This is coming from a raider, and an ex-hardcore raider back in WoW that use to no life trying for world / server firsts. I never understood this mindset, my friends tried to example it to me because they got upset at a group was suspected of cheating and got the server first clear two pulls before us. They were livid, but me I was like rip we were just too slow, better luck next time.

Just be better, try harder, push longer. Stop worrying about what others may or may not be doing and just focus on what is in your control. They were pissed at those that cheated, I myself was already looking at the times to review my gameplay to see what I could have done better, what we could have done to clear the fight quicker, what mistakes we made etc . . .

People cheat F 'em could also just be that I am into weight lifting and PED's are massive, and I like w/e you do you, and I will do me. As my coach tells us what others do is not in our circle, worry about you not others. Even as a raider, zoomhacks are kind low bar for "cheating" either way kind of like PED's sure it makes this go slightly quicker and a tad easier. You still have to put in the effort, zoomhacks or not clearing ultimate is a feat and for what it is worth from one lonely raider to another I would not say the other seven runs would be invalid if someone was caught using zoomhacks. They still had to put in the effort certain plugins do not just make it so you can magically clear it.

I am certain even if they had auto pilot rotation, DBM most would still have a hard time clearing TOP. Now I am willing to compromise they should have two groups tool and no tool for the raid clears in FFXIV.

I have a similar background to you in that I am an ex "hardcore" raider but from EQ2 and not WoW. I was in a raid guild that was often global or server first for clears. The time and commitment that guild required of my life, upwards of 30 hours per week, was intense. (As an aside, NEVER AGAIN would I prioritize an MMO the way I did back then!)

If another guild got a clear right before us because they cheated, my response would have been the same as your guild mates. I'd be livid, and typically if cheating is discovered for a world-first, they would have that honor removed and stripped from them. My response wouldn't be, "oh well. Congrats on cheating to get that World First!" This is honestly such a strange reaction to me.

To me, cheating is for people who want the rewards for content they don't have the skill to complete. They can do what other people do if they want the glamours or rewards - do it next expansion unsynced lol.

In the grand scheme of life, is cheating in an online game that important? No. But is it something that should be shrugged off or even defended to the level it is here? No, not one bit.

Edit: As a former hardcore raider who has given up that lifestyle, I do think current-expansion raid gear should carry with it a little badge of prestige. Seeing the Savage gear vs. my tomestone gear means a little something to me when I inspect people. Cheating just cheapens it to me.

[Saraide]

Unnamed didnt get away with it, they got clowned all the way up to the ISS (which was where they were viewing from). I know this is a crazy take for some people but punishment doesnt actually need to be draconic, we dont need to literally cut off their hands. The WF race is done for clout but instead of clout they got clowns.

[VeyaAkemi]

Now I am willing to compromise they should have two groups tool and no tool for the raid clears in FFXIV.

Three categories for World First:

- World First with mods.
- World First without mods.
- World First with lewd mods.

[Bobby66]

I can't believe there's actually people here defending cheating.

I'd have taken it up with them first, possibly, their reaction would have been the motivator for the kick(being an entitled douche, for example), but I see nothing wrong with removing them. Your static, your rules. And if people leave because they condone cheating, then so be it.

I'm guessing everyone here defending that guy heavily mods their game like its Skyrim.

Hey, if someone is drinking piss, but they think it is lemonade and do not believe me when I am telling them they are drinking piss, to them are they really drinking piss or is it lemonade?

In short if someone does not think they are cheating no amount of stressing they are cheating will change their mind. So why get upset trying to convince a person of something they do not see either due to willful ignorance or simply plain old ignorance.

Also that is another misnomer about statics, sure you have a team captain / leader but it is not their static. They are a team, it is not proper for them to make an executive call like that without the input of the team before hand. The OP failed as a captain / leader when they felt they had the power to make such a call without the teams input and probably was for the better if the group fell apart, cause running with a leader like that often leads to needless drama.

Edit: As mentioned before it not uncommon for statics to push through with a player that does not mess well with the time if they have already have made a decent amount of progress with them. Often changes mid prog lead to groups falling apart, which ends up just wasting the the time of everyone.

[Bobby66]

Three categories for World First:

- World First with mods.
- World First without mods.
- World First with lewd mods.

Option three is where all the real action will be at.

I have a similar background to you in that I am an ex "hardcore" raider but from EQ2 and not WoW. I was in a raid guild that was often global or server first for clears. The time and commitment that guild required of my life, upwards of 30 hours per week, was intense. (As an aside, NEVER AGAIN would I prioritize an MMO the way I did back then!)

If another guild got a clear right before us because they cheated, my response would have been the same as your guild mates. I'd be livid, and typically if cheating is discovered for a world-first, they would have that honor removed and stripped from them. My response wouldn't be, "oh well. Congrats on cheating to get that World First!" This is honestly such a strange reaction to me.

To me, cheating is for people who want the rewards for content they don't have the skill to complete. They can do what other people do if they want the glamours or rewards - do it next expansion unsynced lol.

In the grand scheme of life, is cheating in an online game that important? No. But is it something that should be shrugged off or even defended to the level it is here? No, not one bit.

Edit: As a former hardcore raider who has given up that lifestyle, I do think current-expansion raid gear should carry with it a little badge of prestige. Seeing the Savage gear vs. my tomestone gear means a little something to me when I inspect people. Cheating just cheapens it to me.

Guess for me even with cheats they worked for their clear, it does not cheapen the race or anything else for me on personal level. I am also one of those players that if they see someone with certain titles my reaction is oh that cool, good for them. Unlike others who seem to have oh they probably cheated or w/e. Too me worrying about what others do for their clears is just too much for me, I just focus on my own clear and run. Main reason why I gave up hardcore raiding, just could not keep up with all the politics of other world first teams and what a player had to do to even get into that realm. Debates of the use of RMT and stuff, the action itself did not bother me, the focus on who did or who didn't do what cheapened the experience for me.

In a perfect world yes I would love if no one felt the need to cheat or what have you, but we do not live in a perfect world and honestly I do feel things would be easier if people just accepted it as a reality and allowed players to make a choice if they wish to partake using tools or not, and understand that if they choose not to use tools they will be at a disadvantage and if they do choose to use tools people may clown on you. I do not think they should take rewards or kills away but I am pretty laid back when it comes to stuff like that.

Your stance is pretty much what my mates told me, and even after all this time I still do not get the point of getting upset over factors that are far outside of our control.

[Midareyukki]

In short if someone does not think they are cheating no amount of stressing they are cheating will change their mind. So why get upset trying to convince a person of something they do not see either due to willful ignorance or simply plain old ignorance.

Pretty much this.

Sure, SE says the use of any third party tool is prohibited, but eventually they had to come out and very loosely say "There's a gray area, and we don't want people to go around in a report-war". Because they realistically don't care. Not because "omg cheating is bad", but because even Square Enix themselves don't see certain things as cheating. No matter how their very loose TOS says it's not legal.

Teamcraft is a third party tool.
14Angler is a third party tool.
XIVGlamour is a third party tool.
Gamerescape is a third party tool.
The FF14 Wiki is a third party tool.
So's anything posted by the Balance Discord.
Heck, using Discord is technically considered one too.
Youtube guides for raids are a third party tool.
Shaders are a third party tool.
Parsers are third party tools.

Unless you're either harassing people with these things, being blatant about their use and visibly associating your character's name with it, or specifically trying to get an upper hand in content by skipping mechanics or removing challenge via hacks, they won't see it as cheating. Violating the ToS, probably? But cheating? Not necessarily.

[Pixieh]

Teamcraft is a third party tool.
14Angler is a third party tool.
XIVGlamour is a third party tool.
Gamerescape is a third party tool.
The FF14 Wiki is a third party tool.
So's anything posted by the Balance Discord.
Heck, using Discord is technically considered one too.

They're not against the TOS though unlike the cheats that are being discussed here. So what's your point?

[Saraide]

They're not against the TOS though unlike the cheats that are being discussed here. So what's your point?

What makes them not against TOS?