Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Pixieh]

Either way done with this thread.

I hope everyone who breaks the TOS by cheating will eventually get banned.

Then we'll see 'what they think' or 'what they feel' is worth when they try to ban appeal.

[Zebraoracle]

Either way done with this thread.

I hope everyone who breaks the TOS by cheating will eventually get banned.

Then we'll see 'what they think' or 'what they feel' is worth when they try to ban appeal.

I'm going to actually break my stance of not really getting involved in this troll thread.

People with this mindset are absolutely insufferable, you realize that right? It doesn't matter how correct or incorrect you are, the moment you basically start calling for divine punishment against those you disagree with out of some sense of self-righteousness is the moment you reveal how truly arrogant you actually are. You called someone else "fourteen", but this mindset is literally the kid in a classroom who tells the teacher that one of their classmates is passing notes or whatever. Yeah, they're breaking rules, but what does it get you? A momentary feeling of self-righteousness at the cost of ruining any and all relationships you have? And in this case over a freaking video game? The thing that a lot of people are playing for their own enjoyment and distraction from life? The idea of someone breaking the rules hurts you so much that you're going to sit here and hope they get banned, even though as long as they're smart about what they're doing (aka not advertising to the world that they're using mods) no one would ever have a chance of even knowing about.

Cheating is bad, yes, most of us agree on that.

Witch hunting people for using mods is also bad, if not worse, especially because YoshiP said he doesn't want people doing this. Why is it okay to pick and choose which statements YoshiP makes to crusade for while ignoring others?

And the funny part is, if what someone said earlier in the thread is true, the zoom hack isn't even a cheat considering if you have a good monitor, you basically already zoom out to where the zoom hack lets you zoom to.
The sad part is, someone asked earlier in the thread about using a shader for colorblind accessibility and you acted like they were cheating. They literally CAN'T PLAY THE GAME due to the game's already poor accessibility options, how is bringing it up to the standard *everyone else has* in any way shape or form "cheating"? Against the TOS? Sure, probably, but cheating? Where's the "unfair advantage"?

Sorry, but white knight holier than thou crusaders that literally go against YoshiP's wishes by acting like the game's police and start calling for bans and wrath are far more appalling to me than someone who uses mods.

[Coatl]

There's no way to guarantee that no one else in your group is cheating, and no way to guarantee the new recruits won't also be cheating.

I wouldn't have kicked them. Especially being that far into TOP. Cacbot has existed forever and is more cheaty than a zoom hack in my opinion. But you're raid lead, you can decide what kind of environment you want to uphold. Just know that access to plugins and mods has never been easier than it is now.

[Bukachu]

I say snitches get stiches

[Zsolen]

I'd question a raid leader that didn't kick a cheater.

[RobynDaBank]

But if SQEX won't put anticheat in the game and task the community to report, which in turn gets called bootlickers/hall monitors for doing just that, what's one to do?

[Jojoya]

But if SQEX won't put anticheat in the game and task the community to report, which in turn gets called bootlickers/hall monitors for doing just that, what's one to do?

The community has been asked to report if they have reasonable suspicion.

Otherwise, the thing for the community to do is to abide by the ToS themselves. We can't be responsible for what other players choose to do but we can be responsible for what we do ourselves. We may not agree with all rules, but we should nevertheless follow them until such time as we can convince those who do make the rules to change things.

If someone wants to resort to that sort of name calling, it tells us that they have no interest in being accountable for the choices they make and would prefer to deflect attention away from themselves by blaming others.

I think a big problem is that it is really only in multiplayer games that cheating becomes a problem. With a single player game, no one else is affected.

If someone has played nothing but single player games for years, using mods and cheats as they want without repercussions, they're going to have a hard time adjusting to multiplayer games where suddenly it can matter.

[VelKallor]

But if SQEX won't put anticheat in the game

You DO NOT WANT an anticheat in FF 14.

You dont. Trust me on this.

, but this mindset is literally the kid in a classroom who tells the teacher that one of their classmates is passing notes or whatever.

"Teacher, the guy in the third row is passing notes to the guy next to him in this exam" Id report that in a heartbeat.

Sorry, but white knight holier than thou crusaders that literally go against YoshiP's wishes by acting like the game's police and start calling for bans and wrath are far more appalling to me than someone who uses mods.

Still, waiting to hear why it is that people who tell others they are better at the game need cheats to win. If you cant beat the hardest content on your own merits...then that a skill issue.

Isnt it?

[Kazhar]

Still, waiting to hear why it is that people who tell others they are better at the game need cheats to win. If you cant beat the hardest content on your own merits...then that a skill issue.

Isnt it?

If you want a genuine answer to that question, you'd first have to show when and where any of the people who were caught cheating actually told others they are better at the game. Because I still don't know who we're talking about.

Is this about the raiding community at large? Because as far as I know, Cactbot users are the butt of all jokes there too. We just have fewer very passionate individuals who think accessibility plugins, minor UI enhancements and dps meters are an actual crime.

[VelKallor]

Threads like this for example?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-to-increase.

So, to put this as politely as I can, dont tell ME to "git gud" when in THIS THREAD it has been admitted that a LARGE percentage of players in "harder content" cant beat savage or ex or ultimate without a boatload of addons.

The utter hypocrisy is ...to be frank, sickening.