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    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Hariette Reina-cuento
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    Marilith
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    Gladiator Lv 90

    Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

    I lead a raiding static, we are doing TOP and got to phase 3. Alt character for anonymity purposes

    Recently a member streamed and showed himself using a zoomhack, so I swiftly and immediately kicked him from the static, reported him and blocked him.

    Yet now after 3 days trying to find a replacement, some members of the static started arguing with me and 2 of them left.

    They say that it was petty of me to eff over the progress of 6 other people just to get rid of a cheater.

    They say that it's okay that he cheats because he kept to himself and never talked about it.

    My other raiding friends also told me what I did was a really bad idea.

    So now the group that was going so well is breaking apart and it's my fault, however I don't think I did anything wrong, cheating is forbidden by the ToS.
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    Payadopa's Avatar
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    I think it's poor sportsmanship. Why have difficult content when you invalidate it immediately? But at the same time couldn't you have talked first? Seems a bit drastic to me.
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    Zebraoracle's Avatar
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    Zebra Rune
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    Oh booooy here we good!

    So how's everyone's day so far?
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    Oh booooy here we good!

    So how's everyone's day so far?
    'eh.

    As usual, I feel like two miles of bad road; but, I have really good coffee, and the pain meds are starting to kick in.

    It balances out.

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    Player SassyAssassin's Avatar
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    Cinnabun Arulaq
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    You did good to kick him, if he was streaming and SE found out, you all could have gotten in trouble I think.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by SassyAssassin View Post
    You did good to kick him, if he was streaming and SE found out, you all could have gotten in trouble I think.
    Unlikely, the world first race is an entirely different scenario to SE than some random group that no one cares about outside of that group. The punishment the other members got (which they invited themselves by openly saying they are all equally guilty) was only to have their clears revoked and their totems discarded.
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    Alfimi Einst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Unlikely, the world first race is an entirely different scenario to SE than some random group that no one cares about outside of that group. The punishment the other members got (which they invited themselves by openly saying they are all equally guilty) was only to have their clears revoked and their totems discarded.
    As much as I agree with this it might have turned to a situation like with UNAMED_ where someone(besides OP) got mad and reported the thing and having there clear taken away.

    Questionable move to kick without discussing with the static? Depends how you feel about the zoomhacks and how far diplomacy truly would have went since you state that progress was good.

    Good move? Probably. At worse you just scrubbed your progress instead of taken away by a mad 3rd party. Might take a rep hit due to word of mouth but nothing loss if you don't approve of mods and those who use them.

    The ultimate question is how do you feel about this. Yeah it might take a little longer to get the win but if you feel like you made the right choice then you made the right choice. Don't let other people dictate how you feel.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd View Post
    As much as I agree with this it might have turned to a situation like with UNAMED_ where someone(besides OP) got mad and reported the thing and having there clear taken away.

    Questionable move to kick without discussing with the static? Depends how you feel about the zoomhacks and how far diplomacy truly would have went since you state that progress was good.

    Good move? Probably. At worse you just scrubbed your progress instead of taken away by a mad 3rd party. Might take a rep hit due to word of mouth but nothing loss if you don't approve of mods and those who use them.

    The ultimate question is how do you feel about this. Yeah it might take a little longer to get the win but if you feel like you made the right choice then you made the right choice. Don't let other people dictate how you feel.
    If upholding the TOS is your primary concern then sure, go ahead. But it probably wont get you yoship's recognition. Meanwhile you have shown your static that your primary concern as leader is not the group running well but your personal crusade against third party tools. If people stop trusting you as static leader for that reason than that's the consequence for your action.
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    You found out that not everyone thinks the same way you do. You should have talked about this with your group members before acting and asked them how they feel about it.
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    You found out that not everyone thinks the same way you do. You should have talked about this with your group members before acting and asked them how they feel about it.
    This.

    It was a kneejerk reaction that affected 6 other people. You could and should have talked about with the person itself as well as the other 6 that would get affected by whatever decision you made.
    You could've also told the member that you ended up kicking that you'll have no things like zoomhacks in this static and give them a chance to simply stop using it and it would've been fine.
    Decisions like these need to be discussed with everyone.
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