They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Rolder50]

"I have a group that I do savage with so this doesn't effect me"

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed

[Klytania]

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed

I know

There are basically 2 camps of naysayers. People who are established with a static and don't care about anything outside of themselves, and people who still forget to use tank stance in level 90 content.

[Jaquan]

I know

There are basically 2 camps of naysayers. People who are established with a static and don't care about anything outside of themselves, and people who still forget to use tank stance in level 90 content.

I'd say there's also camp 3. People who had negative experience with said tools being openly available.

Judging from experience I'd wager that majority of those for whom damage meter would have positive impact on their growth already use them. The rest? You're giving them a tool they can't really use at best and way to measure themselves to others at worst. Even if it won't escalate into full blown harassment I feel the passive-agressive behavior will just grow worse. And not just between "Elite and non elite". From my experience the rift usually starts out on barely average level. Those who don't really have much leg to stand on against proper high end player but at least better than "bottom trash". I've yet to see the game with some means of comparing players that wouldn't spiral in that way. And with overall fear of being reported for trying to help it would only grow worse.

[VerdeLuck]

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

[Klytania]

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

Context for people's comments are important.

[Rolder50]

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

Easy, if people are posting on here about why a damage meter isn't important or isn't needed, but they are getting carried through content, it makes their claims dubious at best. The in-game comparison would be if someone was bragging about how much damage they do or how they are good at the game and you go to check if this is true or not.

[Padudu]

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

If someone was advocating for add-on support for deep dungeons, crafting, gathering, or any other content wouldn't you want to gauge how much experience they have in it? If you find out that someone has never touched crafting at all, then why would you take what they say more seriously VS someone who has poured hours and hours into it? Same concept with parses. Why would you take someone's word who has never even touched anything above a recent extreme, over someone who raids regularly in current content?

[CerusSerenade]

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed

Context for people's comments are important.

And with that you've already lost the crux of your argument.

You just acted as an example of the very toxic behavior you assert doesn't exist in WoW or other MMO's. When someone disagreed with you, you immediately ran to their FFLogs to use that to discredit them. You're SERIOUSLY trying to argue that people wouldn't be toxic about other people's DPS numbers when you're toxic over someone disagreeing with you over it?

We're done here.

[LittleImp]

And with that you've already lost the crux of your argument.

You just acted as an example of the very toxic behavior you assert doesn't exist in WoW or other MMO's. When someone disagreed with you, you immediately ran to their FFLogs to use that to discredit them. You're SERIOUSLY trying to argue that people wouldn't be toxic about other people's DPS numbers when you're toxic over someone disagreeing with you over it?

We're done here.

There's an enormous difference between using someone's lack of credentials to discredit an argument that is directly related to said credentials, and bullying someone in a leveling roulette.

[VerdeLuck]

There's an enormous difference between using someone's lack of credentials to discredit an argument that is directly related to said credentials, and bullying someone in a leveling roulette.

You don't need credentials to argue against having DPS meters in content.
Besides, your arguments that people who don't like parsing and don't parse have bad parses are pretty strange. Of course they don't have logs, or the few logs they have are spotty, because they don't parse. They're not posting anything to sites, all you see are random smatterings of a fraction of their clears that someone else posted.

Also, why is looking up someone's stats in a conversation about stats wrong? Especially when they make statements like "It's not needed"

You're proving the counter argument true, that if logs are readily available, they will be used as a weapon against other players as a way to shame them and try to make them shut up, not to get people to improve.
If you can't even handle the little bit we have now on the forums, how are you supposed to be trusted to not abuse more readily available information?