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    game_enjoyer's Avatar
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    Kevin Pizza
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    wait is this actually controversial? the game is basically only about DPS at this point because tanking and healing have become incredibly simple. what metric are you supposed to measure as a tank player if not dps? mitigations per second? shirk/provoke per second? the focus on dps is not a result of toxicity in the game, it's a result of fight design, at least that's my understanding. i cannot see a good reason to limit accessibility of information to 3rd party software or opening up damage logs and doing the math manually.
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    Drake Drakon
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by game_enjoyer View Post
    wait is this actually controversial? the game is basically only about DPS at this point because tanking and healing have become incredibly simple. what metric are you supposed to measure as a tank player if not dps? mitigations per second? shirk/provoke per second? the focus on dps is not a result of toxicity in the game, it's a result of fight design, at least that's my understanding. i cannot see a good reason to limit accessibility of information to 3rd party software or opening up damage logs and doing the math manually.
    Consistency and quick at learning new mechanics. But those aren't measurable. But IMO they are far more important than your parses.

    A lot of people are deluded into thinking that they are good at the former while having bad parses though. My experience shows that there is a moderate correlation. But you always get the 99 percentile rank 20 parser who fuck up every single mechanic and you wish there was a metric that just showed progression skill.
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    Klytania Moanmoore
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    Quote Originally Posted by game_enjoyer View Post
    wait is this actually controversial? the game is basically only about DPS at this point because tanking and healing have become incredibly simple. what metric are you supposed to measure as a tank player if not dps? mitigations per second? shirk/provoke per second? the focus on dps is not a result of toxicity in the game, it's a result of fight design, at least that's my understanding. i cannot see a good reason to limit accessibility of information to 3rd party software or opening up damage logs and doing the math manually.
    A lot of people are probably really bad at the game, but they don't want to know it. They can lean on "well it's not made for it because it's not in the game" to justify it. But if we had an objective measuring tool, they would be forced to face the fact that they might be average, or worse.
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    Mother Kos
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    The only time I ever blocked my logs is when I had someone stalking me. Props to them, I guess, because I didn't even think to lock that down as I thought there was *no way* someone would be as insane as to calculate my play time based on uploads.

    I wonder if that guy ever got therapy.
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    A'nhaato Tia
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    I see literally no downside to an official damage meter. You people would do good getting your egos bruised a bit by being forced to look at your own poor numbers instead of believing you're doing "fine" in normal content while actually being hard carried. Harassing people for their dps would still be against tos, the only pain would be on the gms getting more requests.
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    Fu Soya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klytania View Post
    There's no way no quantify if you're getting better at your rotation without something like it.
    No need to worry about other players and their rotations. (Eventhough it's NOT the "rotations" that people are wanting meters for)

    No.
    Not in this game.
    Again, not needed.
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    Klytania Moanmoore
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBriggs304 View Post
    No need to worry about other players and their rotations. (Eventhough it's NOT the "rotations" that people are wanting meters for)

    No.
    Not in this game.
    Again, not needed.
    "I have a group that I do savage with so this doesn't effect me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klytania View Post
    "I have a group that I do savage with so this doesn't effect me"
    If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed
    I know

    There are basically 2 camps of naysayers. People who are established with a static and don't care about anything outside of themselves, and people who still forget to use tank stance in level 90 content.
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