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    Semirhage

    The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

    If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Semirhage

    The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

    If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.
    You are aware that DPS measurement tools already exist right? And that they have existed literally since ARR? Why, pray tell, have we not seen wide spread harassment in all that time since?
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    Last edited by Rolder50; 05-17-2022 at 02:33 PM. Reason: Edit for clarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    You are aware that DPS measurement tools already exist right? And that they have existed literally since ARR? Why, pray tell, have we not seen wide spread harassment in all that time since?
    If this is your argument, I believe that it would be more prudent to state how harassment towards players would remain at the same level you believe it to be if the measurement tools were permitted. Because right now they are not. Should it be mentioned that harassment for any reason is prohibited? That alone should answer your question.

    I would also add that I don't believe it is harassment that is the issue with DPS meters being allowed in the game; I believe the concern is actually gatekeeping, which is already a thing be it players want to admit to it or not. Meters would likely exacerbate the issue. Not a guarantee, but also not a risk the dev team is willing to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.
    Except, this runs contrary to evidence from any MMO in which parsers are widely accepted?

    If someone ever brought up your numbers in your 8 years of playing WoW outside of friendly competition, let's face it, they were pointing out a problem that goes well beyond just what some little bar in the corner of their screen was telling them.

    Outside of potato laptop players asking for their own numbers from those running a parser, I've seen numbers come up perhaps... 5 or 6 times, across normal and heroic raiding, RBGs, and a ton of M+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Semirhage

    The issue with that is simple: Said tool will not be used to "improve" it will be used to harass, belittle, insult, berate, humiliate others.

    If you cant see that simple reality, then theres really no use in discussing this further.
    "I need the power to stop you from doing something on your own computer, that slightly affects how you play the game. I need this power because if I don't have it, you *might* do something that would negatively impact me".

    You -definitely- need to exert de jure control over me, because I *might* otherwise exert peer pressure over you.

    That sounds like the lust of every authoritarian I've ever heard, babe.
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