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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmicCoqui View Post
    Because it has been used for bad in other games that have built in parsers already. It's the reason why Yoshi does not want it here because he has seen it in other games. That last bit of your statement "we can't have a tool because it could be used for bad is a level of pessimism I'm not comfortable with" completely ignores that fact. It always leads to toxicity no matter what. With one being officially added, parse harassment would result in a few day suspension versus the current possible instant ban.
    It's every bit as likely that Yoshida doesn't want to implement it because the community will do a better job of it, for free?

    And no, having a parse tool doesn't always lead to toxicity no matter what at all. That's simply stretching the truth far beyond reality. There are plenty of people that parse purely for their own ends across a wide variety of content and have no interest in saying a word about it outside of their own private circles and statics. Where's the toxicity in using it purely for self improvement and optimisation?

    And again no, SE officially adding one has absolutely no bearing on what penalties would be thrown for harassment for a couple of different reasons. Remember that this game has an exceptionally hard stance on verbal harassment, if SE were to make it very clear that this isn't acceptable with the release of a parsing tool then the reality is that the status quo really wouldn't change. You don't need to use third party tools to get account strikes which will rapidly lead into an instant ban, simply copying and pasting lines of NPC dialogue or asking to be kicked from a duty is enough to achieve that. There's no reason for parser related abuse to be treated any differently unless SE explicitly chose to which is incredibly unlikely to happen. This isn't FFXI or WoW.
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  2. #652
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    It's every bit as likely that Yoshida doesn't want to implement it because the community will do a better job of it, for free?

    And no, having a parse tool doesn't always lead to toxicity no matter what at all. That's simply stretching the truth far beyond reality. There are plenty of people that parse purely for their own ends across a wide variety of content and have no interest in saying a word about it outside of their own private circles and statics. Where's the toxicity in using it purely for self improvement and optimisation?

    And again no, SE officially adding one has absolutely no bearing on what penalties would be thrown for harassment for a couple of different reasons. Remember that this game has an exceptionally hard stance on verbal harassment, if SE were to make it very clear that this isn't acceptable with the release of a parsing tool then the reality is that the status quo really wouldn't change. You don't need to use third party tools to get account strikes which will rapidly lead into an instant ban, simply copying and pasting lines of NPC dialogue or asking to be kicked from a duty is enough to achieve that. There's no reason for parser related abuse to be treated any differently unless SE explicitly chose to which is incredibly unlikely to happen. This isn't FFXI or WoW.
    People forget that to notice someone performing very badly you often do not need a parser at all, you just need to look at what they are doing. And already it's not allowed to be a mean about it.
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