They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Semirhage]

I'll never quite understand the train of thought that by adding in a parser, SE would somehow automatically be removing their exceptionally hard stance towards abusive behaviour of any sort in chat.

SE could readily add an ingame feature with a very specific warning not to abuse it and use it as means to attack other players with a clear line in the sand given by GMs as to what is and isn't acceptable. Sure, you might see the occasional person being toxic with it at first but then if they promptly eat a ban for it, aren't we all winning in the long term? If swinging around numbers is treated in the same manner as it is right now, it's certainly not going to get worse.

But Sebazy it's haaaaaaaaaaaard. If we don't keep the BadEvil stat trackers out then people might feeeeeeeeeeeeel more "pressured" to improve. And no harassment is worse or less punishable than harassment you make up from an invisible voice in your own head.

*psst* *whisper whisper* that voice of shame and judgement in your own head is often a good thing and you should probably follow its advice more often, dear reader *whisper whisper*

[LisSquid]

*psst* *whisper whisper* that voice of shame and judgement in your own head is often a good thing and you should probably follow its advice more often, dear reader *whisper whisper*

That voice keeps me from eating my coconut vanilla soap every morning.

[AngelCheese77]

If a parser was added that only that player could see their own DPS and no one elses would be fine to me.

[Gothicshark]

An officially supported damage meter should be added, ...Virtually nobody would quit because a damage meter was added ...

1: NO
2: I a lot of us would quite.

[Sebazy]

1: NO
2: I a lot of us would quite.

Any reason behind your firm opinion on this one? Assuming SE keep a zero tolerance against any cases of people harassing over parser numbers, what's driving your stance?

[Gothicshark]

Any reason behind your firm opinion on this one? Assuming SE keep a zero tolerance against any cases of people harassing over parser numbers, what's driving your stance?

theres no way you would quit. im calling that bluff right now.

Nah. You're too invested in it.

December 2004 to October 13th 2020. Never looking back.

I had 20 max level Characters (both factions), I had 5 Max Geared Raiding Characters, to include my Main a Blue Side Warlock which I had as a main since May 2005. I played 40+ hours a week before I retired, and 70-80 hours a week after I retired. I only quit twice, once for 5 months near the End of Panda Land in protest over a flying announcement (When I first came to FFXIV), and the day of Shadowland Prepatch, as I refused to go back to level 50.

I deleted my account when their misogynistic history came out.

I am sick and tired of toxic WOW mentalities and Damage Meters, because I lived 18 years of my adult life dealing with them.

Would you still quit if the damage meter was something that had to be enabled in the UI and was only personal? (ie. I could only see myself and you could only see yourself)

If so, can you please explain your reasoning?

Because people will always find a way to make an addon/app to detect the information, and there will always be a group of people who use that info to determine weather or not a person should be allowed into a group. Sure, they might not say things in public, but in private spaces, and on Discord, the information will be used to judge people, and no matter how good intentioned, it will always be used for ill. If Yoshi-P allows for even a personal meter, that is allowing for that information to become necessary for raiding. The only way that is acceptable, is if they added a personal solo challenge that gave out you numbers at the end. This way, it would be personal, and would be usable as a self improvement tool, and not a test of ability.

[anhaato]

I had 20 max level Characters (both factions), I had 5 Max Geared Raiding Characters, to include my Main a Blue Side Warlock which I had as a main since May 2005. I played 40+ hours a week before I retired, and 70-80 hours a week after I retired. I only quit twice, once for 5 months near the End of Panda Land in protest over a flying announcement (When I first came to FFXIV), and the day of Shadowland Prepatch, as I refused to go back to level 50.

I deleted my account when their misogynistic history came out.

I am sick and tired of toxic WOW mentalities and Damage Meters, because I lived 18 years of my adult life dealing with them.

You're not convincing anyone by listing reasons that have nothing to do with damage meters. In fact, you're just proving further that WOW's downfall was NOT due to damage meters.

[Elesh]

Because people will always find a way to make an addon/app to detect the information, and there will always be a group of people who use that info to determine weather or not a person should be allowed into a group. Sure, they might not say things in public, but in private spaces, and on Discord, the information will be used to judge people, and no matter how good intentioned, it will always be used for ill. If Yoshi-P allows for even a personal meter, that is allowing for that information to become necessary for raiding. The only way that is acceptable, is if they added a personal solo challenge that gave out you numbers at the end. This way, it would be personal, and would be usable as a self improvement tool, and not a test of ability.

This argument has a really flawed premise to it. You're basing whether good people can have something based off of whether bad people could misuse it...

By that right we shouldn't have chat in the game. At all. No ability to chat. Because people who are mean can use it to harass people. We also shouldn't have gear, because people can judge people based off of it. And we shouldn't have glam, because people get judged based off of their tastes in glam.

Any system you add to the game... hell, anything that exists can be misused by people with the wrong attitude and intention to hurt people.

That doesn't mean we just... never do anything. No, we punish the people who misuse it.

[kpxmanifesto]

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I 100% believe you quit wow and I did too. But who are you kidding, you won't quit FFXIV.

[Gothicshark]

I 100% believe you quit wow and I did too. But who are you kidding, you won't quit FFXIV.

15 years of passionate WOW gaming, I love the Lore and Universe. I quit fully and permanently and deleted my account. If FFXIV went down the same path as WOW, I would do the same. However, I do not think Yoshi-P and Team will ever do what Blizzard did. Nor do I think they will add a Meter to the game, or at least one that can be used and seen by others. (They may add a personal utility that allows personal checks in specific solo situations. ie added as a function of Target Dummies. Or a new type of Target Dummy with that feature. Which would be keeping with their design philosophy. (I just hope it's not something that has to be quested to be unlocked,... Who am I kidding, they would totally add an RP for it.)