They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Skiros]

Honestly the enrage timers are already incredibly forgiving as they are.

In FFXIV I think this is less of a DPS issue and more of a '' don't die too much '' issue.
Especially with essentially infinite ress in FFXIV, enrage timers are kinda necessary to not make it complete faceroll.

DPS is so much less important to me than people staying alive, which is the reason why we don't kill 99% of the time.
Everyone staying alive the whole fight and the boss not dying is pretty rare and usually people who stay alive are also better players hence do more damage.

tell me you haven't done savage week 1 without telling me you haven't done savage week 1

[Jaquan]

tell me you haven't done savage week 1 without telling me you haven't done savage week 1

Tell me you overly rely on parsers without telling me you overly rely on parsers.

[Kolsykol]

tell me you haven't done savage week 1 without telling me you haven't done savage week 1

So you're telling me that if everyone survives the whole fight and is properly geared with food buffs etc then enrage timer will be an issue?
Do you think that people who don't know how to play their Job will survive the whole fight week 1?

Do you think that people who do it week 1 don't know what ACT parsing is and don't already use it?
You're not talking about the people who others are saying would benefit from a DPS meter.
You're talking about people who already very likely use the software and worrying too much about DPS is still not the big issue it's going to be surviving and learning mechanics.

Edit: No I didn't do the tier on week 1 I got into it very late because I put it off and was lazy about it.
But people who beat it on week 1 and made guides said themselves that the enrage timers were very forgiving in this tier.
I am going to trust what they say.

[Kirundo]

So you're telling me that if everyone survives the whole fight and is properly geared with food buffs etc then enrage timer will be an issue?

Yes it will.

[Kolsykol]

Yes it will.

Then you can start worrying about people not playing properly, I dunno if you actually get the point I was getting at.
Do you think that the people who have been talked about here that would supposedly benefit from a DPS meter are even relevant in that discussion?

Generally speaking the reason why the boss doesn't die is because people die over the course of the fight/ has too much downtime because they haven't '' perfected '' the mechanics yet and figured them out entirely.
A DPS meter isn't going to help them there.
And someone who does 3k DPS in P4 or whatever isn't going to reach that point.

The people who actually figure out all of the mechanics week 1 and go in with full crafted BiS + food etc aren't the people who don't know what ACT is and even in that context it doesn't actually matter it's not going to be the reason why they killed/ didn't kill depending on whether they had ACT running or not for parsing.
And they're not going to be people who have no clue how their Job works who even needs a parse software/ ingame DPS meter to tell them that they don't know.

[Miracle_Diva]

Generally speaking the reason why the boss doesn't die is because people die over the course of the fight/ has too much downtime because they haven't '' perfected '' the mechanics yet and figured them out entirely.

You can know all boss mechanics in the game, but if you're bad at playing your job, you won't clear, unless hard carried by others. If you have a full group of people who know everything perfectly, but can't play their jobs efficiently, you won't have enough DPS to finish the fight before enrage timer.

[LisSquid]

So you're telling me that if everyone survives the whole fight and is properly geared with food buffs etc then enrage timer will be an issue?

Until your entire team is overgeared for the fight, yes. Yes they will.

[Skiros]

Tell me you overly rely on parsers without telling me you overly rely on parsers.

what kind of shit take is this

So you're telling me that if everyone survives the whole fight and is properly geared with food buffs etc then enrage timer will be an issue?
Do you think that people who don't know how to play their Job will survive the whole fight week 1?

Do you think that people who do it week 1 don't know what ACT parsing is and don't already use it?
You're not talking about the people who others are saying would benefit from a DPS meter.
You're talking about people who already very likely use the software and worrying too much about DPS is still not the big issue it's going to be surviving and learning mechanics.

Edit: No I didn't do the tier on week 1 I got into it very late because I put it off and was lazy about it.
But people who beat it on week 1 and made guides said themselves that the enrage timers were very forgiving in this tier.
I am going to trust what they say.

Source? Because I cleared P4S week 1 this tier and the enrage is not forgiving on non-meta compositions. I also have week 1 clears from the past and enrage timers were NEVER forgiving in any single Savage tier, ever. E8S's enrage timer was harder than most but that doesn't mean other week 1 enrages were "very forgiving".

My position is very simple:

I do not enjoy this obsessive focus on DPS in the community right now, but that's the DEVELOPER'S fault for designing content where DPS matters disproportionately much more than most other MMO raid encounters, both because jobs and utility have been gutted so much they are barely a concern these days and because they literally design fights in a way that cater to FFLogs andies (look at all the arena pattern design and mechanics like Act 2 or E12S's primal mechanics where there are always safe spots on max melee that are so clearly indicated you would think they don't actually want you to treat "out" mechanics as an actual "out" mechanic).

If they want people to care more than DPS maybe make fights that actually force people to care more than DPS. Banning parsers do not make people care less about DPS if the fights themselves REQUIRE and the content design obsessively focuses on it!!

[Jaquan]

what kind of shit take is this

About as shit as "without parsers nobody would know what they did wrong and nobody would clear harder content". Persers, ACT whatever. You make them sound like they're this miraculous tool that gives you all the answers. But it doesn't. On its own damage tracker is worthless. The number it gives you is just data that's slightly more detailed than binary success or failure. Without any further data to compare (which at week 1 I'm assuming is going to be scarce) it really doesn't mean much. And ultimately damage is the result and not the cause. Displaying your virtual score really tells nothing about why it is the way it is.

[Skiros]

About as shit as "without parsers nobody would know what they did wrong and nobody would clear harder content". Persers, ACT whatever. You make them sound like they're this miraculous tool that gives you all the answers. But it doesn't. On its own damage tracker is worthless. The number it gives you is just data that's slightly more detailed than binary success or failure. Without any further data to compare (which at week 1 I'm assuming is going to be scarce) it really doesn't mean much. And ultimately damage is the result and not the cause. Displaying your virtual score really tells nothing about why it is the way it is.

You don't actually use ACT do you? It allows you to diagnose damage TAKEN as well, which is critical during prog.