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    DynnDiablos's Avatar
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    Shai Rae
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Oh yes it is.

    You're playing a multiplayer game based around team content. Your group has full right to boot you whenever they like if the majority feel you aren't contributing. They just aren't allowed to be rude to you over it. Your performance is everyone's business. If you don't like that, I'd recommend a single player rpg.
    Based on whose standards? I know my rotation. I know my job very well. So who is the one to judge me and determine whether I am contributing or not when I know the mechanics, my rotation, etc?
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    "The worst foe lies within the self."

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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    Based on whose standards? I know my rotation. I know my job very well. So who is the one to judge me and determine whether I am contributing or not when I know the mechanics, my rotation, etc?
    I've seen plenty of people claim that they know their rotation and class very well. Some lived up to it, others not so much. Why should a party take the word of a stranger as the holy truth? Your performance is their business, the degree depending on the content you're doing of course and to say that in team content your performance is your business alone is selfish.
    But if you play as well as you say than you having nothing to fear anyway, correct?

    But if the majority decides that whatever you do is not enough then they can remove you and that is fine as long as they're not being rude about it. Removing someone from their party for whatever reason is not the same as insulting after all.
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    Thi L'iun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    I've seen plenty of people claim that they know their rotation and class very well. Some lived up to it, others not so much. Why should a party take the word of a stranger as the holy truth? Your performance is their business, the degree depending on the content you're doing of course and to say that in team content your performance is your business alone is selfish.
    But if you play as well as you say than you having nothing to fear anyway, correct?

    But if the majority decides that whatever you do is not enough then they can remove you and that is fine as long as they're not being rude about it. Removing someone from their party for whatever reason is not the same as insulting after all.
    I have seen this so many times as well. Generally the people who say they know their job very well but are adamantly anti-data truly think they do know their job well, when in fact they don't and just have never encountered anything in the game to prove them otherwise and would head in the sand if data was available to prove them otherwise. Bruised egos and all of that, many gamers have an ego that they are one of the best and anyone below them is a scrub and anyone above them is a no-life or a cheat.

    It's the whole "I have never encountered anything in the game that has given me trouble, so I must be playing well" feedback loop as they blast through normal mode content, get carried through an EX and never enter Savage or above.
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    Garnet Stormborn
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    End of the day, MY DPS is none of your business.
    Keep on doing you dude..... I'm just glad I will never have to play with you =)
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    R.I.P samurai main 2022 - REAPER TIME!

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    End of the day, MY DPS is none of your business.
    It is if you're in a GROUP setting where other people's enjoyment possibly relies on you being competent.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    End of the day, MY DPS is none of your business.
    Not true if it is savage or higher content. For Normal content who cares.
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    Kirya Nordrain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    You might have chosen the worst possible example because with BLM you can actually go to the level of optimization where ACT and things like manatick tracker are neccessary. You wouldn't even be able to discover such basic concept as caster tax without precise timestamps from logs.
    Interesting. Weirdly enough no guide I found on BLM even mentioned those concepts. Not going too dismiss claims though since it is obvious to me that when it comes to FFXIV you are my senior. And I picked it because for whatever reason that's the job I chose to display on my profile and the one I enjoy quite a bit.
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    Azuri Aeru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaquan View Post
    Interesting. Weirdly enough no guide I found on BLM even mentioned those concepts. Not going too dismiss claims though since it is obvious to me that when it comes to FFXIV you are my senior. And I picked it because for whatever reason that's the job I chose to display on my profile and the one I enjoy quite a bit.
    Here are the forbidden tomes. Open at your own risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Here are the forbidden tomes. Open at your own risk.
    I'll keep those in mind for the future since as for now It's painfully obvious to me that I lack the set of knowledge and skills this guide requires. As well as the fact that the author specifically states that "Standard rotation and knowledge are enough to play BLM at high level".
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    Drake Drakon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaquan View Post
    Interesting. Weirdly enough no guide I found on BLM even mentioned those concepts. Not going too dismiss claims though since it is obvious to me that when it comes to FFXIV you are my senior. And I picked it because for whatever reason that's the job I chose to display on my profile and the one I enjoy quite a bit.
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