They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Kirundo]

DPS meter is totally irrelevant in dungeons and normal trials or raids, you can die, stand in fire, afk half of the fight and still get a clear.
But in savage/extreme fights where ONE underperforming dps will lead to all group being unable to clear content not having a way to identify that player is just unfair.

[Jason_Ashford]

DPS meter is totally irrelevant in dungeons and normal trials or raids, you can die, stand in fire, afk half of the fight and still get a clear.
But in savage/extreme fights where ONE underperforming dps will lead to all group being unable to clear content not having a way to identify that player is just unfair.

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

[Kolsykol]

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

Well, if you can't clear the content because one dude/duderino refuses to play properly then it's not exactly arbitrary.

That said a DPS meter wouldn't help when you're doing the content, it's better used outside to measure your performance.
Except for identifying who's the problem but tbh I think you can usually do that without a DPS meter if you're actually paying attention and I don't trust the average person to be responsible with that I think in most cases it'd turn into toxicity and harassment...
In the majority of cases too it's because someone is repeatedly dying over and over again, but not understanding your rotation and not having proper gear/ food buffs etc tends to go hand in hand with people who are a problem in that regard.
I've just never felt like I needed a DPS meter to see who the problem in the group is.

[Kirundo]

"Unfair"? Lmfao, so if players start getting kicked for making one mistake and dying, what will your excuse be? Or when players are blocked from joining extreme/savage/ultimate tier content because their parse numbers don't meet your arbitrary standards? what then?

the whole purpose of prog parties is to LEARN the content. obsessing over numbers and kicking anyone who doesn't meet your arbitrary standards in dps is a toxic mentality, one that will NEVER be given endorsement in this game.

What is your excuse for people getting kicked/leave the underperforming PF group right now? You are under a misconception that today people are all friendly but if they are given a damage meter then SUDDENLY they all start acting toxic.

PS And the standard is not arbitrary, it's set by the developers who designed the enrage timers.

[Jason_Ashford]

What is your excuse for people getting kicked/leave the underperforming PF group right now? You are under a misconception that today people are all friendly but if they are given a damage meter then SUDDENLY they all start acting toxic.

PS And the standard is not arbitrary, it's set by the developers who designed the enrage timers.

so we have players who bully others and gatekeep content from lower skilled players, and to fix that you want to add a tool that will allow even more widespread bullying and gatekeeping? you say i'm the one under a misconception, but you have this delusion that adding parses will magically fix all the problems with PF parties and that we won't have an influx of toxic behavior. you cannot seriously be this naïve .

[Kirundo]

so we have players who bully others and gatekeep content from lower skilled players, and to fix that you want to add a tool that will allow even more widespread bullying and gatekeeping? you say i'm the one under a misconception, but you have this delusion that adding parses will magically fix all the problems with PF parties and that we won't have an influx of toxic behavior. you cannot seriously be this naïve .

No, damage meter won't solve any PF problems. It's a useful tool for measuring performance in high content. And as said before I do not agree that we will have "an influx of toxic behavior".

[Jason_Ashford]

No, damage meter won't solve any PF problems. It's a useful tool for measuring performance in high content. And as said before I do not agree that we will have "an influx of toxic behavior".

hence why i said you are suffering from a delusion. We have enough toxicity in game as it is without giving more people an excuse to bully and exclude others

[VerdeLuck]

No, damage meter won't solve any PF problems. It's a useful tool for measuring performance in high content. And as said before I do not agree that we will have "an influx of toxic behavior".

Damage Meters aren't needed for any high end content in this game, all of it is able to be completed without ever installing ACT of having anyone in your party with it. The dev team thoroughly tests it every time they release something new.
The amount of toxicity they generate isn't worth it. I reject your opinion entirely that they don't cause toxicity. I've seen enough of my friends playing WoW and the whispers they get when they dare to do less damage than is optimal or forget to update WeakAuras.
That culture of Addons, Meters, and Parsing to that extend should never be allowed to take root in this game, even at the high end content level.

Honestly SSS could be useful, if when you complete it on a job it flags that you completed it. Then party finder could lock duties to only people who have cleared the SSS dummy for the fight. There are some issues with tuning for the SSS dummies, but it would be a huge start to just be able to filter out players who are not capable of doing the damage needed to clear the fight even without mechanics.

If you're this concerned with gatekeeping players then just get a static instead of using PF.

[Thi]

If you're this concerned with gatekeeping players then just get a static instead of using PF.

Sometimes static members have to miss a week due to real life, maybe multiple ones at once if some of your group is family. On those weeks your options are to fill in with people you know who may or not be available (or already cleared that week for savage) or use party finder.

Some people are adults with busy lives and only have a few hours to devote to raid each week, why should their time be wasted by players who can't provide the minimum required damage to clear a fight without mechanics when a tool exists in game to measure that.

[Deceptus]

Damage Meters aren't needed for any high end content in this game, all of it is able to be completed without ever installing ACT of having anyone in your party with it. The dev team thoroughly tests it every time they release something new.
The amount of toxicity they generate isn't worth it. I reject your opinion entirely that they don't cause toxicity.

You're the leader of a PUG party (or even a static) trying to clear the new EX / Savage fight but are having trouble clearing the DPS burst phase mechanic.

You have a a DPS who is putting out as almost much damage as their job possibly can, 90-99%.

You have two DPS who are somewhere in the middle.

And you have one DPS who is missing GCDs.

How do you determine who might be slacking a bit that can help out the group? You're not going to stare at their character during the encounter.

I’ve played MMOs since EQ in 2001 and NEVER has it been needed. Only reason is for those who min/max or for raids to be the first on a server.

If the mob dies before the enrage, you won. You did the DPS needed.

And when the mob doesn't die, it helps to know who you can help as a group improve so you CAN beat said boss.