They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Jason_Ashford]

So you are telling me that if you can be harassed over something in the game, this should not be a part of the game? How about we actually just deal with the people harassing you instead of getting rid of every potential feature that you can get harassed over.
I remind you that you can technically be harassed over your performance even without ACT, and how are we dealing with it? Removing features or reporting the player?

or how about the devs not enable bullying by continuing to block any request for parse logs to be added. it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, people WILL abuse parse logs to bully and gatekeep content from those less skilled. So the answer is now and will forever remain NO

[Kirundo]

or how about the devs not enable bullying by continuing to block any request for parse logs to be added. it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, people WILL abuse parse logs to bully and gatekeep content from those less skilled. So the answer is now and will forever remain NO

I argue that adding damage meter will NOT add any more bullying or harassment. Will some people use damage meter to harass? Yes. Would they have used literally anything else to harass right now? Also yes. Some people just triggered by ANYTHING. I have a teammate in overwatch that would get triggered by any comment on his gameplay from other teammates or opponents. And I mean ANY. He would harass and curse the person who dared to question his performance. And that same person would do the same in any other game with any tools given.

[Jason_Ashford]

I argue that adding damage meter will NOT add any more bullying or harassment. Will some people use damage meter to harass? Yes. Would they have used literally anything else to harass right now? Also yes. Some people just triggered by ANYTHING. I have a teammate in overwatch that would get triggered by any comment on his gameplay from other teammates or opponents. And I mean ANY. He would harass and curse the person who dared to question his performance. And that same person would do the same in any other game with any tools given.

spoken like someone who has never played WoW or ESO. Parsing absolutely enables widespread bullying and gatekeeping and pretending otherwise just makes you sound incredibly foolish. Parses legitimizes elitism and toxicity and no amount of reporting will ever fix the long term damage of allowing that kind of mentality to seep into the game.

Does it already exist to an extent? yes. there's no an MMO in the world that doesn't have elitists who bully and gatekeep content, but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for them.

[Kirundo]

spoken like someone who has never played WoW or ESO. Parsing absolutely enables widespread bullying and gatekeeping and pretending otherwise just makes you sound incredibly foolish. Parses legitimizes elitism and toxicity and no amount of reporting will ever fix the long term damage of allowing that kind of mentality to seep into the game.

Does it already exist to an extent? yes. there's no an MMO in the world that doesn't have elitists who bully and gatekeep content, but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for them.

I dare you to find ANY group or raid in WoW party finder right now that would require you to have certain DPS amount.
And no, logs requirement for mythic raids is not DPS requirement but check that you didn't buy the clear.

[Yeastyloins]

I dare you to find ANY group or raid in WoW party finder right now that would require you to have certain DPS amount.
And no, logs requirement for mythic raids is not DPS requirement but check that you didn't buy the clear.

M+ they don't use logs or DPS numbers, they use IO scores which is determined by keystone clears. IO also will record raid kills as well and will show you a person main's IO information if they are on an alt.

In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.

[LisSquid]

In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.

Yeah those logs are used to break down pulls, not really to gauge personal performance (we use sims and application for that). Which is also a reason why having logs over just a silent dps meter is important. It's to look at group performance.

Having that information readily available natively in the 14 client would be a powerful tool. People who actually know how to read logs don't really care about the raw rDPS so much as how it weighs against the other bits of data.

[Yeastyloins]

Yeah those logs are used to break down pulls, not really to gauge personal performance (we use sims and application for that). Which is also a reason why having logs over just a silent dps meter is important. It's to look at group performance.

Having that information readily available natively in the 14 client would be a powerful tool. People who actually know how to read logs don't really care about the raw rDPS so much as how it weighs against the other bits of data.

For Raids sure, for M+ not so much since there exist a level of strategy in M+ completion is captured by logs, its easier to utilize IO as a mean to determine who you want for a group.

While it would be good for analysis, the issue is that the casual player base either will A) not understand said information or B) ignore it out of spite due to the already cultivated culture that surrounds the game. Just like how you can't remove DPS meter from WoW, you can't add DPS meters to FF14.

If anything, I'd rather just allow for ACT and expand the API for more robust information to be collected via ACT while keeping current rules regarding talking about logs, parses, or DPS values.