They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Kirundo]

I have really hard time understanding why everyone thinks that damage meter would be a source of harassment. I don't think I can remember a single instance when I didn't make into a PF group in WoW because of DPS/HPS. The only criteria to join a WoW raid or dungeon is completion/iLVL which is already present in FF.

[AlyaNimfa]

I have really hard time understanding why everyone thinks that damage meter would be a source of harassment. I don't think I can remember a single instance when I didn't make into a PF group in WoW because of DPS/HPS. The only criteria to join a WoW raid or dungeon is completion/iLVL which is already present in FF.

Um.. that's because group exclusion was done with ilvl...

Once in, if you didn't measure up with dps things could get dicey. And I'm not talking about someone slacking off for the carry, actual people being incredibly rude for little to no reason because someone was below them. Had loads of M+ fall apart because of it.

I don't miss that game, or the people. Worst gaming experience there of my life, and I personally didn't get abused, but the vibe sucked.

[Kirundo]

Once in, if you didn't measure up with dps things could get dicey. And I'm not talking about someone slacking off for the carry, actual people being incredibly rude for little to no reason because someone was below them. Had loads of M+ fall apart because of it.

I don't miss that game, or the people. Worst gaming experience there of my life, and I personally didn't get abused, but the vibe sucked.

If the content it not cleared because of enrage 2 times people would just leave savage PF groups in FF. How is that different? You don't need a DPS meter to know that your are not clearing enrage or someone is dying constantly or doesn't know the mechanics. You already know who to blame most of the times even without ACT help! How can you (not you personnaly) have so little faith in FFXIV community to think that people would suddenly become supertoxic and start requiring you to somehow provide your DPS as a proof?

[Deveryn]

I have really hard time understanding why everyone thinks that damage meter would be a source of harassment. I don't think I can remember a single instance when I didn't make into a PF group in WoW because of DPS/HPS. The only criteria to join a WoW raid or dungeon is completion/iLVL which is already present in FF.

Maybe it's because we've actually been harassed!!! Think on that a bit.

[Kirundo]

Maybe it's because we've actually been harassed!!! Think on that a bit.

So you are telling me that if you can be harassed over something in the game, this should not be a part of the game? How about we actually just deal with the people harassing you instead of getting rid of every potential feature that you can get harassed over.
I remind you that you can technically be harassed over your performance even without ACT, and how are we dealing with it? Removing features or reporting the player?

[Jason_Ashford]

So you are telling me that if you can be harassed over something in the game, this should not be a part of the game? How about we actually just deal with the people harassing you instead of getting rid of every potential feature that you can get harassed over.
I remind you that you can technically be harassed over your performance even without ACT, and how are we dealing with it? Removing features or reporting the player?

or how about the devs not enable bullying by continuing to block any request for parse logs to be added. it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, people WILL abuse parse logs to bully and gatekeep content from those less skilled. So the answer is now and will forever remain NO

[Kirundo]

or how about the devs not enable bullying by continuing to block any request for parse logs to be added. it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, people WILL abuse parse logs to bully and gatekeep content from those less skilled. So the answer is now and will forever remain NO

I argue that adding damage meter will NOT add any more bullying or harassment. Will some people use damage meter to harass? Yes. Would they have used literally anything else to harass right now? Also yes. Some people just triggered by ANYTHING. I have a teammate in overwatch that would get triggered by any comment on his gameplay from other teammates or opponents. And I mean ANY. He would harass and curse the person who dared to question his performance. And that same person would do the same in any other game with any tools given.

[Shurrikhan]

I have really hard time understanding why everyone thinks that damage meter would be a source of harassment. I don't think I can remember a single instance when I didn't make into a PF group in WoW because of DPS/HPS. The only criteria to join a WoW raid or dungeon is completion/iLVL which is already present in FF.

Maybe it's because we've actually been harassed!!! Think on that a bit.

That doesn't answer the implied question, though. What makes the other players knowing how well you were actually doing the cause of that harassment?

What would the given scenario look had they only their suspicions (and, say, your frequently being out of position, cancelling casts, dropping Astral Fire, etc.) to go off of?

[Reap00]

An officially supported damage meter should be added, there is no good argument against this. All they need to do is allow people to simply set their damage to private if they can't handle potential criticism or just don't want to mess with it. Same way they did with the adventure plates.

They could even implement the feature with "private" as the default setting.

The information is already flowing that's how the current plug-ins work. All SE would need to do is add an in-game GUI that allows you to access it.

Being able to break down your damage and stats in a meaningful way is basically standard for most games like this, and it's insane that a game as big as XIV just ignores it. There are people I know who I keep trying to get into this game, but they won't because it is missing so many basic features like this.

Virtually nobody would quit because a damage meter was added (as much as they scream on twitter to the contrary, they won't). But more people would be interested in the game if it was updated this way. It's a net positive.

A meter is not required to complete even the highest level of content. Yoshi will never add it as a result. You are going to have to come to grips with this and live with it. It will never change.

[grinkdaboy]

why do you want an official one? we both know that if hypothetically they did implement one it would probably be inferior or halfassed compared to current solutions