They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Jaquan]

I know

There are basically 2 camps of naysayers. People who are established with a static and don't care about anything outside of themselves, and people who still forget to use tank stance in level 90 content.

I'd say there's also camp 3. People who had negative experience with said tools being openly available.

Judging from experience I'd wager that majority of those for whom damage meter would have positive impact on their growth already use them. The rest? You're giving them a tool they can't really use at best and way to measure themselves to others at worst. Even if it won't escalate into full blown harassment I feel the passive-agressive behavior will just grow worse. And not just between "Elite and non elite". From my experience the rift usually starts out on barely average level. Those who don't really have much leg to stand on against proper high end player but at least better than "bottom trash". I've yet to see the game with some means of comparing players that wouldn't spiral in that way. And with overall fear of being reported for trying to help it would only grow worse.

[VerdeLuck]

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

[Klytania]

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

Context for people's comments are important.

[Rolder50]

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

Easy, if people are posting on here about why a damage meter isn't important or isn't needed, but they are getting carried through content, it makes their claims dubious at best. The in-game comparison would be if someone was bragging about how much damage they do or how they are good at the game and you go to check if this is true or not.

[Padudu]

If you can't have a discussion without running off to fflogs to check if the person posting has good parses then why should they trust that you aren't going to look up someone else's damage to harass them in game if they do anything you don't like?

If someone was advocating for add-on support for deep dungeons, crafting, gathering, or any other content wouldn't you want to gauge how much experience they have in it? If you find out that someone has never touched crafting at all, then why would you take what they say more seriously VS someone who has poured hours and hours into it? Same concept with parses. Why would you take someone's word who has never even touched anything above a recent extreme, over someone who raids regularly in current content?

[CerusSerenade]

If you look em up, it's very clear why they think a meter isn't needed

Context for people's comments are important.

And with that you've already lost the crux of your argument.

You just acted as an example of the very toxic behavior you assert doesn't exist in WoW or other MMO's. When someone disagreed with you, you immediately ran to their FFLogs to use that to discredit them. You're SERIOUSLY trying to argue that people wouldn't be toxic about other people's DPS numbers when you're toxic over someone disagreeing with you over it?

We're done here.

[LittleImp]

And with that you've already lost the crux of your argument.

You just acted as an example of the very toxic behavior you assert doesn't exist in WoW or other MMO's. When someone disagreed with you, you immediately ran to their FFLogs to use that to discredit them. You're SERIOUSLY trying to argue that people wouldn't be toxic about other people's DPS numbers when you're toxic over someone disagreeing with you over it?

We're done here.

There's an enormous difference between using someone's lack of credentials to discredit an argument that is directly related to said credentials, and bullying someone in a leveling roulette.

[Klytania]

And with that you've already lost the crux of your argument.

You just acted as an example of the very toxic behavior you assert doesn't exist in WoW or other MMO's. When someone disagreed with you, you immediately ran to their FFLogs to use that to discredit them. You're SERIOUSLY trying to argue that people wouldn't be toxic about other people's DPS numbers when you're toxic over someone disagreeing with you over it?

We're done here.

Maybe it's hard to read through the eyeholes in your fursuit.

I never said people wouldn't use it to be "toxic" (that's such a tumblr blog phrase) I said it doesn't really matter. The benefits outweigh the negatives.

Also, why is looking up someone's stats in a conversation about stats wrong? Especially when they make statements like "It's not needed"

[VelKallor]

The overarching feeling I get from a lot of this community's...opinions...is something I can approximate with "thank god I'm not some filthy tryhard NERD who crunches numbers and tries to improve at some ridiculous nolife video game. Now excuse me while I spend seven hours a day in the same video game picking out my glamour."

Id say that the bottom line here is that the mentality has shifted since the days of nolifes in WOW hunched over a keyboard.

Times, and people have changed.

I was asked why i dont do savage or ex etc..my answer was simple. Im retired. Ive been there done that in earlier video games, done up to mythic in a few instances. These days, my time is my own to do with as I please.

i dont do schedules, dont do "be here at xyz time regularly", and in basic terms, I play for fun and really little else.

i have, in fact, been invited to no less than THREE statics, to which i have politely deciined. When it comes to "efficiency", Ive been there and done that as well. My old professions were both in the banking / fiunance sector and before that in the nursing / medical field. When you walk into work and have an exam dropped on your desk "have this done in one hour, passmark is 100%", and its a LAW exam, thats when you get tested.

Know what happened to anyone who failed? You were immediately suspended without pay. Id say THAT has a greater magnitude of importance, wouldnt you agree?

Whether you want to admit it or not, this is just a game. Little else. No more. its a game. Games are for enjoyment, not to be treated as a second job with 'checks for efficiency" "prompt attendance", "Job performance" etc.

Thats work, not play.

Thats more stress than many need, as you are very well aware, there is enough stress and grief already without adding to that load..,.and in all truth, people have more than enough to deal with as it is.

The last two years are TESTAMENT to that fact.

One of the more famous WOW guilds has just called it a day, Midwinter. Ive actually MET one of their members, she was a cool and very generous person with an evil sense of humour. What you dont seem to grasp is that in this time at least, people have developed a sense of perspective, more to the point of what is important. what no longer matters. or no longer needs to be a major stress point in their lives.

A video game pales into how you feel at the end of a work day, come home, dinners on the table, the kids need you...thats your priority now. Home. Work. Family. More to life than pixels in a video game..and nothing, NOTHING, is more important than the time you spend in things that MATTER.

One of the more ludicrous claims I have heard is " you cant do optimal dps I guess you cant handle challenges in real life either"...to which I laughed.

And yeah, I do spend a lot of time doing glamours...its great fun. Note that word. Fun. At the end of the day, Semirhage, bear one fact very much in mind.

The aim of any game anywhere is to leave the player with less stress and worry they had from when they sat down. The aim is to PLAY, my friend, not blow a gasket working towards "optimum" "beating enrage timers" and spending hours pushing pixels when they could be doing things that are far more constructive.

[Rolder50]

Id say that the bottom line here is that the mentality has shifted since the days of nolifes in WOW hunched over a keyboard.

Times, and people have changed.

I was asked why i dont do savage or ex etc..my answer was simple. Im retired. Ive been there done that in earlier video games, done up to mythic in a few instances. These days, my time is my own to do with as I please.

i dont do schedules, dont do "be here at xyz time regularly", and in basic terms, I play for fun and really little else...

So if you don't raid, then why do you even care if people use damage meters? I assure you no one looks at them or cares about them outside of Extreme and higher.