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  1. #51
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Not a fan of the PvP changes for healers. It's basically taken our one identity (the ability to heal our party) and replaced it with DPS skills. If I wanted to play a DPS there are a dozen other classes which are not only better suited to dealing damage, but look cooler doing it. Still, that being said I was never a huge fan of PvP even before the changes, so not much has changed. My only lament is I'm forced to play through it in order to unlock the new plates and emotes.
    Outside of your 1 standard heal on a 15s charge healers are largely pointless.

    Yes WHM limit break is completely busted but they're not healers outside of Cure2 and the LB. They're DPS.

    I saw a match where the WHM was using the Cure 2 Exploit. They were actually HEALING and contributing to the group dynamic instead of watching people die.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #52
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Outside of your 1 standard heal on a 15s charge healers are largely pointless.

    Yes WHM limit break is completely busted but they're not healers outside of Cure2 and the LB. They're DPS.

    I saw a match where the WHM was using the Cure 2 Exploit. They were actually HEALING and contributing to the group dynamic instead of watching people die.
    WHM has a lot more going for it than you think. Aquaveil can heal a status effect while shielding (and doubles the potency of the shield if it does clear a status effect, not to mention you can target an ally with this), the Miracle of Nature polymorph can't be cleansed, it can stop limit breaks, and can start a chain of crowd control effects, and they can AOE heal with a free Cure III for every Seraph Strike (which deals damage but also grants a defense buff for all allies). WHM is actually the most healer-y of the healers in PVP, and are, currently, easily the pillar of any team if they know what they're doing.

    Otherwise, you're probably better off not thinking of PVP in terms of roles.
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  3. #53
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    Rurusamu Fufusamu
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    Louisoix
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    Scholar Lv 90
    SCH actually feels like the field commander, not doing much on its own but tilts the numbers to its team's favour by constantly spreading buffs and debuffs. Not doing that much healing outside of LB is weird, would be nice if we kept the fairy for a minor autoheal as SGE got to keep kardia. I'd like to have an extra defensive ability on the SCH but I think it's enjoyable enough at the moment despite sometimes feeling a bit limp compared to WHM.
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  4. #54
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Just got to gold today after five consecutive wins on sage. If they removed eukrasian prognosis with a tweaked version of PvP pneuma I’d be over the moon
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  5. #55
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    Celica Genhu
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Looks like WHM got some nerfs in the latest patch. The stun nerf is pretty big and the Cure 2 bug seems to be fixed.
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  6. #56
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbr View Post
    SCH actually feels like the field commander, not doing much on its own but tilts the numbers to its team's favour by constantly spreading buffs and debuffs. Not doing that much healing outside of LB is weird, would be nice if we kept the fairy for a minor autoheal as SGE got to keep kardia. I'd like to have an extra defensive ability on the SCH but I think it's enjoyable enough at the moment despite sometimes feeling a bit limp compared to WHM.
    Not a huge fan of the fact that SCH is the only job in the game where the Limit Break Causes zero damage.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  7. #57
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Not a huge fan of the fact that SCH is the only job in the game where the Limit Break Causes zero damage.
    It prevents a ton, though.

    Also, AST's Celestial River (just grants a damage buff or debuff respectively), RPR's Tenebrae Lemurum (it grants 5 stacks of enshrouded (which are meant to be used for DPS, yes) while putting nearby enemies in a fear state), BRD's Final Fantasia (just a great, long-lasting party buff), DNC's Contradance (enemy charm, within range, which is extended up to 4 seconds if the DNC deals damage to the afflicted), PLD's Phalanx (personal invuln while reducing damage by 50% for nearby party members), and WAR's Primal Scream (disables nearby enemy's guard, grants themselves immunity to certain status effects, and increases their own max HP by 20%, but doesn't actually deal damage) all do not deal any damage.
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  8. #58
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    It prevents a ton, though.

    Also, AST's Celestial River (just grants a damage buff or debuff respectively), RPR's Tenebrae Lemurum (it grants 5 stacks of enshrouded (which are meant to be used for DPS, yes) while putting nearby enemies in a fear state), BRD's Final Fantasia (just a great, long-lasting party buff), DNC's Contradance (enemy charm, within range, which is extended up to 4 seconds if the DNC deals damage to the afflicted), PLD's Phalanx (personal invuln while reducing damage by 50% for nearby party members), and WAR's Primal Scream (disables nearby enemy's guard, grants themselves immunity to certain status effects, and increases their own max HP by 20%, but doesn't actually deal damage) all do not deal any damage.
    Derp, I stand corrected.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  9. #59
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    Glamazon Amazonia
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 98
    Every job has a heal you literally don’t have to heal anyone even Sage can kardia himself

    Love this and want it for pve since healers suck w one button spam
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