Hissatsu: Kaiten

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Its kinda sad people forget jobs can be deep, fit an aesthetic and have a lot of buttons these are not mutually exclusive... but for some reason we have to keep lowering the bar for SE everytime more because they want it easier to "balance" jobs or something.

Having a lot of buttons is not necessarily deep.

Shoha and Shoha 2 being different buttons is not deep.

I feel like people don't understand what deep and complex are, and just think "but all these buttons I have to use and think about makes it deep!"

Its a static rotation. Nothing is deep. Complexity only comes from having to manage the hotbar placement to make sense and be usable. And I'd wager a lot of people complaining about skills going away use plugins to align the fight, CDs, and collapse combos into 1 button.

[Minarisweet]

Having a lot of buttons is not necessarily deep.

Shoha and Shoha 2 being different buttons is not deep.

I feel like people don't understand what deep and complex are, and just think "but all these buttons I have to use and think about makes it deep!"

Its a static rotation. Nothing is deep.

I said deep and have a lot of buttons, not deep because it has a lot of buttons. You might not recognize where im coming from but that's fine.

[Hyuinn]

Having a lot of buttons is not necessarily deep.

Shoha and Shoha 2 being different buttons is not deep.

I feel like people don't understand what deep and complex are, and just think "but all these buttons I have to use and think about makes it deep!"

Its a static rotation. Nothing is deep. Complexity only comes from having to manage the hotbar placement to make sense and be usable. And I'd wager a lot of people complaining about skills going away use plugins to align the fight, CDs, and collapse combos into 1 button.

People may use such plugins, but none of them touched Kaiten, which begs the question why the dev team would prioritize that over any other thing to solve the button bloat.

[Gemina]

People may use such plugins, but none of them touched Kaiten, which begs the question why the dev team would prioritize that over any other thing to solve the button bloat.

My guess is Kaiten being exclusively tied to Iaitjustu skills, which already require Sen to execute. Plus, these skills also have a cast time, and trigger the GCD. So I just named three reasons to get rid of it, and button bloat is not one of them.

I honestly think SAM players will get used to Kaiten being removed. It will take an adjustment, but some will even likely look back and tell themselves it was a tacked on skill. That is not my view, just a conclusion that I predict some will arrive at. Again though, my issue with SAM began long before the decision to remove Kaiten.