VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[LisSquid]

Ahem....Hrothgars having to dish out real money for a fantasia to switch to their one other hair

Thats a Big freaking problem if I've ever seen one >_>

I think there's confusion about what people see as a problem and what people THINK people are talking about as problems. Re-reading a few pages made me realize many people here are not on the same.. page (I'll see myself out soon).

No hats and modern aesthetics are fine, imho. THAT is part of SE's design, and I approve of them holding a vision. The problems are that we never got the other shoe to drop to make up for this, and a host of other oversights. I'm sure a lot of it was due to crunch. Making a new race is a daunting task, and they were NOT ready for ShB's launch, but had to ship anyway. Remember that Hrothgar weren't fit to show for the first Fanfest alongside Viera? I don't fully subscribe to the idea that this was intended for Part 2 viewership. Chopping up the jobs and races would have sufficed. I just don't think they were ready.

Yeah that's probably gonna happen, my best guess is that they are already doing a lot of work behind the scenes on all races to release it as one big patch allowing them to advertise it as a big event, something to perk up the shareholders rather than making a bunch of improvements over many patches.

Money reasons aside, I can see them wanting to do it all in one big go for testing reasons, because in a game that crashes the whole server if you fish in the wrong spot, I'm sure they have very weird ways of adding content.

And speaking of miscommunication, we're basically barking the same tune, friend. <3 I want quality assurance even though I know it's probably not going to fall that way. It's just become annoying that "Quiet for FemRoth!" has become a new rallying cry against Viera and M Hrothgar players asking for their QoL in this thread when I didn't see these faces in the Fem Hrothgar thread. Reminds me too much of people trying to brow-beat in the M Viera thread so long ago (and then brow-beating f Viera and m Hrothgar over how we should be quiet because of the missing bunny boys). We already have a F Hrothgar thread to post in, this thread is for the races that are live, and the derailments to F Hrothgar here feel just like that: derailment.

So apologies if I came across as hostile, it's just been talking in circles in these threads for 2 years leaving me seeing ghosts in thin air.

[YukikoKurosawa]

So is it safe to say that Fem Hrothgar are in some sort of development hell at this point? It's very strange that it's taking this long and we don't even have concept art. Already odd they didn't launch EW with both Male Viera and Fem Hroths as that would've made sense. I'm getting the feeling something is going wrong.

[SturmChurro]

I don't really see why there is such a necessity for the inclusion of a missing gender anyway, and I've said as much in the male viera thread. Just to have it? Regardless of how it will impact the dev's workload? There's a reason they chose female viera and male hrothgar in the first place. If people would have stood more unified in requesting updates to these instead of bombarding SE with male viera requests, I think it would have been more likely we would have got them, and more.

[reivaxe]

Ahem....Hrothgars having to dish out real money for a fantasia to switch to their one other hair

Thats a Big freaking problem if I've ever seen one >_>

Language matters.

That's a problem, it's STUPID af to me and I question why YP would EVER choose to do that ... but it's not "broken" or "unfinished" or something they EVER made it seem like they were planning to address in full before making VM/ FH or any possible new races, it's working completely as intended.
The devs going outta their way to change up their plans and address this in 6.0 and 6.1 is them trying to address the issue and ease that pain point, it's not them "finishing" or "fixing" anything. It's like being upset that your bag of chips is mostly full of air ... that's not a mistake or oversight on the companies part, they meant to do that and if they start advertising "with 20% more chips!" after they add more chips it's not them "fixing" something.

Lets remember, until now SE was saying "Viera will get new hair, but only unique hair!/ Hrothgar will get new hair and faces!". What happened? Clearly over the past 2 years they decided that Viera would be worked on to allow them to use SHARED hair ... it's my guess that that's simply what they're getting now, and new racial hair is off the table. Only recently has YP said that Hrothgar changing hair with 1 head was coming (6.1), up until recently he's been like "Naah, that's CC option yo. But they're gonna get new hair and face patterns!".

So as I see it ... either they ---
1- Make a 3RD VERSION of each/ some/ one of the 4 heads and have the 2 hairstyles and the face features hair extensions combined into some fur pattern option (Pay $10, swap to this head that has the freedom to swap hairstyles at the cost of your extra-bit customization)
or
2- Just make 1 or more new uniform faces that can use shared hair so that they don't have to bother making new Hrothgar only hair. Want to change hair like everyone else? $10 to swap to that head and use shared hair.

Either way, any current Hrothgar out there is gonna be paying something to get this feature, just like the Middies and the stubby imo. Interested in seeing wtf they do ... it's gonna be clear when they talk about 6.1, so there's really nothing to say for the next few weeks but their plans for addressing this pain point will be known soon.

So is it safe to say that Fem Hrothgar are in some sort of development hell at this point? It's very strange that it's taking this long and we don't even have concept art. Already odd they didn't launch EW with both Male Viera and Fem Hroths as that would've made sense. I'm getting the feeling something is going wrong.

I have no idea what you're talking about.
We've had confirmation for over half a year that they're coming "after 6.0". Everything up til now has been about 6.0, we don't even know the direction the rest of the expac is gonna go right now outside some vague stuff like "24men = a story about the 12 .../ Island n Houses!/ new PvP mode". They haven't even really started hinting at 6.1 and onward's content.

I don't really see why there is such a necessity for the inclusion of a missing gender anyway, and I've said as much in the male viera thread. Just to have it? Regardless of how it will impact the dev's workload? There's a reason they chose female viera and male hrothgar in the first place. If people would have stood more unified in requesting updates to these instead of bombarding SE with male viera requests, I think it would have been more likely we would have got them, and more.

Hrothgal Popularity will depend completely on their design, their perceived "likely numbers" can only be based on what people think they will look like.
I will agree that if MV stans hadn't thrown a 2-year-long tantrum, then perhaps things would be different for FV and MH right now. (I don't think that FV would have 2x the racial hair they do now or w/e, but perhaps they would have had the time to make MORE shared hair work).

But as it stands, MV are VERY popular, so I think the choice was for the best personally.

[SturmChurro]

Hrothgal Popularity will depend completely on their design, their perceived "likely numbers" can only be based on what people think they will look like.
I will agree that if MV stans hadn't thrown a 2-year-long tantrum, then perhaps things would be different for FV and MH right now. (I don't think that FV would have 2x the racial hair they do now or w/e, but perhaps they would have had the time to make MORE shared hair work).

But as it stands, MV are VERY popular, so I think the choice was for the best personally.

Yeah, doubtful they would have gotten a huge amount, but maybe their hair issues would have been sorted out sooner, and we could have gotten some racial hairs for them as well.

I always did think they would be popular, considering the outburst for their inclusion. I don't think the choice to implement them so soon was for the best myself, but it was definitely best for SE's bottom line, that's for sure.

[Akimori]

Language matters.

That's a problem, it's STUPID af to me and I question why YP would EVER choose to do that ... but it's not "broken" or "unfinished" or something they EVER made it seem like they were planning to address in full before making VM/ FH or any possible new races, it's working completely as intended.

See, I like yoshi and want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I honestly thing that he slapped that limitation on Hrothgar because of the simple fact that H/V were rushed to begin with. but to say that its working as intended? No. I absolutely refuse to accept that notion because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that this was going to blow up in his face the moment people figured it out

[LisSquid]

See, I like yoshi and want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I honestly thing that he slapped that limitation on Hrothgar because of the simple fact that H/V were rushed to begin with. but to say that its working as intended? No. I absolutely refuse to accept that notion because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that this was going to blow up in his face the moment people figured it out

For real. It seems by all accounts that they had big plans for Hrothgar and Viera. Be it because of time, resources, or just the gold standard spaghetti code they had to take what they had and push it out. One thing that has always bugged me is that it was Yoshi P who wanted the beast race, Viera being just a fan favourite. Not to presume to speak for him, but I don't think Hrothgar would have released like this if there wasn't some internal issue at play.

[Akimori]

For real. It seems by all accounts that they had big plans for Hrothgar and Viera. Be it because of time, resources, or just the gold standard spaghetti code they had to take what they had and push it out. One thing that has always bugged me is that it was Yoshi P who wanted the beast race, Viera being just a fan favourite. Not to presume to speak for him, but I don't think Hrothgar would have released like this if there wasn't some internal issue at play.

Honestly, even if it weren't Hrothgar specifically (maybe the Lupin or the more dragonlike Au Ra that were teased back in HW), I can say with maybe 85% certainty, if the servers didn't explode with the outcry for Viera, whatever beast race they decided to release would have been released in a way better state than what we have now. As much as I love my viera alt, I do sometimes wish that they community outcry wasn't so great. We probably would have had hrothgals by now and hrothgar wouldn't feel like a race thats still in its Beta stages

[Chie_M]

So is it safe to say that Fem Hrothgar are in some sort of development hell at this point? It's very strange that it's taking this long and we don't even have concept art. Already odd they didn't launch EW with both Male Viera and Fem Hroths as that would've made sense. I'm getting the feeling something is going wrong.

My main concern with female Hrothgar is still that they're going to make them "sexy". I mean, look at the female Au Ra concept art versus the tiny waifus we got...

[Meowdyj]

So is it safe to say that Fem Hrothgar are in some sort of development hell at this point? It's very strange that it's taking this long and we don't even have concept art. Already odd they didn't launch EW with both Male Viera and Fem Hroths as that would've made sense. I'm getting the feeling something is going wrong.

There is nothing wrong. They're not a priority right now. Its time for them to address the issues with Viera, now that both genders are in game and given the massive popularity influx of the race. They know what people have been asking for and there is no excuse to delay it any longer.