So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[Michieltjuhh]

Look, I know you said...

Oh and before someone gleefully comes out with the "Do u even raid bro" - I'm just going to counter that beforehand by saying irrelevant when many of these mentalities permeate into the more casual content, in addition to the simple fact that many of these mentalities are not just exclusive to FFXIV but apply to practically any multiplayer game. So don't bother coming with that.

... but then in your next post you go ahead and say this...

No they are equally as important, but a dead body doesn't do any DPS, whereas one alive that respected the mechanics can still continue to push out DPS, and nor does a player that dies and thus potentially causes everyone else to die. I never said nor implied that it is less important, just that it is equally as important as being able pump out DPS, and just highlighting the simple fact that foregoing some DPS to ensure that you can execute mechanics is important. If a member potentially or does perform in a subpar manner then that's fine. Grandstanding aside it's an objectively good solution to a potential problem. They can improve from thereon.

... which kind of counters the statement that it is 'irrelevant' because you don't seem to understand that the point he was trying to make is that in early Savage clears, just doing mechanics doesn't suffice, and consistently losing uptime because you're struggling to combine it with doing mechanics correctly will not lead you to a kill until you outgear it or until months later with Echo. It isn't a situation of player A is dying to mechanics while doing good DPS and player B is doing mechanics but bad DPS. It's a situation where player A is doing good dps and doing mechanics while player B is doing mechanics but bad DPS OR player B is dying to mechanics while doing good DPS, leading into a wipe all the same. Both can and NEED to improve, so neither is wanted in a so-called 'clear' party. While it's easy to call out the DPS that's dying, it's not easy or even possible to call out the one doing too low DPS, because damage meters are taboo.