Changes to Savage Loot Lock System

[Anonicat]

Yeah that's what i thought, it was never about helping or playing with friends, it's just about greed.
Thanks for the answer !

Okay now you're strawmanning, and being a troll, and offering nothing. It's not about greed on my part. But why should 7 people be screwed out of loot, cause 1 person had Real life stuff pop up, and the sub had already cleared. It has nothing do with greed, on my part or theres. Sorry if people actually having lives offends you. It's loot, its really not a big deal if people get it fast or not. This is why GCBTW is such a meme.

[Izscha]

Okay now you're strawmanning, and being a troll, and offering nothing. It's not about greed on my part. But why should 7 people be screwed out of loot, cause 1 person had Real life stuff pop up, and the sub had already cleared. It has nothing do with greed, on my part or theres. Sorry if people actually having lives offends you. It's loot, its really not a big deal if people get it fast or not. This is why GCBTW is such a meme.

No point going further when the only thing you're capable of is clearly attacking anyone that may not think like you, look at your answer each time, you're not here to discuss anything you're here to tell us your truth and that we must comply to it.
Learn to behave in a forum and we can talk later all you want, rn it's impossible.

Cheers !

[Lastelli]

Oh, no. They wouldn't be able to loot if they'd previously cleared. Basically, it'd function exactly like the current system but simply allow 1-2 players to help others clear without impacting their weekly loot.

This would still considerably accelerate the gearing process though, all it would take is a couple of alts or character exchange. Not a great idea.

Think about a simplistic strategy: a static whose members have 1 alt character each. They'll let 2 DPS play on their main character while everyone else is on their alt and let them have all the loot. Then they all swap to their main characters except for the 2 DPS, clear again and gain new loot. So it'll take half the amount of weeks to get the same amount of gear. And I'm pretty sure that there are even more efficient strategies.

With more than 1 alt per player, you can potentially ensure a round of gear for all the main characters in the party every single week...

[Liam_Harper]

This comes up all the time. We suggest the simple fix of the chance of a chest spawning decreasing by 12.5% for each person who cleared that week, as well as players who have looted that week being ineligible to roll. This means you can help friends without wrecking their loot.

...And as usual everyone will ignore it and parrot nonsense about how it'd be unfair and you could infinitely farm gear and break the game because they didn't read.

[Izscha]

This comes up all the time. We suggest the simple fix of the chance of a chest spawning decreasing by 12.5% for each person who cleared that week, as well as players who have looted that week being ineligible to roll. This means you can help friends without wrecking their loot.

...And as usual everyone will ignore it and parrot nonsense about how it'd be unfair and you could infinitely farm gear and break the game because they didn't read.

Ok great you got an idea, and because of that i must say "Yeah sure let's change it!" i can't have my own opinion on the matter and be ok with the current system ?
Nah i can't, i must think that it needs to change because you guys wants it, you can bring the best "fix" ever ( If it does need a fix, i dont think so) , i like the system this way and it lets little room to ppl who would try to abuse it.
It's a MMO, they're here to waste your time and if you're a raider that's how you waste time, fixed weekly loots 2 chests if no one did it the first week, that's the rules those being fair or not is totally irrelevant.
And if you can't get all your things killed during this week and need the help of someone who did it, you pay the price you still have your book and you have 1 chest that's it.
I see nothing wrong with this system, and i did help a lot of poeple that would never had killed it this week without me, they have 1 less chest but at least they have 2 items and the books.

And making it even more RNG while the items already are you can be sure you would see a lot of ppl crying here that they had 87.5 % and it did not appear.
You want your stuff you kill the stuff with your group, if you can't no big deal maybe next week you ll get it and those who do things right will get their stuff week after week.

It's way better to loose 1 chest and have the kill to have nothing

And i will answer only this once about what the op keep saying like it's an argument "YEAH BUT PEOPLE DO HAVE A LIFE YOU KNOW".
Yeah, me too i do have a life and if i can't get my items 1 week because i can't be there it's not the end of the world, if one guy of my group can't raid for the whole week and i have 1 chest i will gladly accept it, once again having the book + 2 items is still good and way better than having nothing.

[CKNovel]

Oh, no. They wouldn't be able to loot if they'd previously cleared. Basically, it'd function exactly like the current system but simply allow 1-2 players to help others clear without impacting their weekly loot.

The issue becomes very few PFs want to give up loot. For those of us who actively enjoy pugging after doing weeklies with our statics, we simply can't.

Making it so 1-2 previously cleared players can help without getting anything extra themselves wouldn't impact anything but allow for more pugging participation and for friends to help sub whenever needed without taking away a coffer.

Yep, exactly was I want.
I'm prob going as a GNB for the next tier since it's difficult to find a group as a Sage when you have little experience on healer.
And this system would simply be benefical to me.

I don't think it would hurt the system and there is nothing wrong with 1-2 people who already cleared helping the group.

[Anonicat]

No point going further when the only thing you're capable of is clearly attacking anyone that may not think like you, look at your answer each time, you're not here to discuss anything you're here to tell us your truth and that we must comply to it.
Learn to behave in a forum and we can talk later all you want, rn it's impossible.

Cheers !

You haven't cleared savage have you? I can tell. So you really don't get a say. You're implying I'm greedy. So who is the toxic one. You keep implying negative intentions on me or my friends behalf over greed in a video game.

Newsflash. Someone can still get all the loot now. And it can be still funneled. If it was a greedy mechanic. I doubt square enix would do it.

It's a socially restrictive feature, if you can't see that you most likely don't clear savage or have alot of groups of people to run with

[Floortank]

With Endwalker coming up can we get changes to loot lock system in Savage. I believe waiting X amount of months for the loot to always be 2 chest is not only detrimental to the PF community, but also goes against social design in MMO's.

With the way it is set up currently, if 1 person in a group has cleared for the week then 1 chest is awarded instead of 2. This is honestly kind of bad. It disincentivizes being social and finding friends to play with, and instead locking me to playing with only 7 people a week to clear with.

I would like to be able to help and join my friends raid groups on a whim, without having to make multiple alts slogging through the story, or paying 50 dollars to boost toons, and still having to do the story again, and not having to worry if i'm screwing my friends out of loot.

I propose just locking the character out of loot like it already does. Just get rid of the 2 chest system, and make everything 2 chest.

Just get rid of the 2 chest system lock. And instead just keep the character locked.

This idea would incentivize running solely with seven people who've cleared and make the game less social and reduce the availability of prog parties. Bad idea.

[Anonicat]

This idea would incentivize running solely with seven people who've cleared and make the game less social and reduce the availability of prog parties. Bad idea.

And the current system already does that. You know statics are made and people get gear funneled right? Still playing with 7 people. 5.5 when the tier was over. PF was dead alot. Unlocking loot helped revitalize it a bit.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And the current system doesn't already do that. You know statics are made and people get gear funneled right? Still playing with 7 people. 5.5 when the tier was over. PF was dead alot. Unlocking loot helped revitalize it a bit.

Isn't that more because people already got what gear they wanted and took breaks until the expansion?


My group cleared the tier late and I have nearly every job at bis, and we stopped for the tier 3 or 4 months ago.... (really only missing the caster coat from e12s)