SE FINALLY ANSWERED THE HEALERS COMMUNITY LONG ANSWERED QUESTION

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Nobody here is saying the game should only be catered to raiders. I'm a "casual" raider at best, I don't really care about my parse and the clear is more important to me. This doesn't mean I do not want to put in the effort to get better at my job, because the better I am the more helpful I am to my team. This is a team game, and everything in it is a combined effort.



That's the thing though; you can clear every bit of normal mode content in this game without doing any DPS. Seriously; get some friends together and try it. You do not have to do ANYTHING DPS wise as a healer to clear. DPS checks in normal mode are hilariously low to clear, and most of the time normal mode content doesn't even have an enrage check, the boss just keeps looping mechanics until it's cleared. If you wipe, you get echo to buff the party's HP and DPS! The game is set up in such a way that even the most casual of players can clear and experience the story, and I think that's a great thing: I don't want the normal content to be gatekept by anything, because we're all paying to play the game. But adding more options doesn't hurt you in anyway - it only helps by having more options for the people who do want to manage that and want to end the boredom we experience in playing healers.

And saying you "could" do Savage doesn't mean anything to what you're saying in this forum. You can do it now, there's 30ish days before Endwalker comes out, that's easily enough time to PUG at least E9S and E10S because there's a ton of people trying to get into Savage even now. Saying you're not doing it because the gear doesn't matter doesn't make any sense in any context, because when new raid tiers are out, the gear is immediately invalidated by crafting gear, and that's the case for every tier. I did Verse after it had been out a long time back during the content drought in 5.2, and even though I had a lot of augmented Crystarium gear, it was still challenging and fun. The gear only really helps you get clears easier in that tier of Savage or helps out those who are having trouble clearing the last floor of the tier.

Well I’m a carrot stick type of player. I guess I’m sorta lazy. I’m not going to do the challenge for challenge sake. Like if a cool glamour I need is in content then I’ll do it, if it’s a upgrade I MUST have sure but otherwise no. And I do care about getting better actually, I practice on the sky sea dummy sometimes as well. Trust me the only thing I care about is letting healer keep it’s non dps identity of a simplistic rotation/opener

[AFuzzyMu11in]

At risk of biting the bait



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No, you don't

Yes I do but I value the ability to be simplistic it’s why I play healer. If they ruin that then I’ll be forced to play tank sadly and the occasional smn.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

And it has been stated and proven several times that the more available buttons to press does -not- equal to making gameplay harder to less experienced players. This is what people had been calling 'raising skill ceiling'. Less experienced will simply not care about optimizing their extra button potentials or probably won't even bother at all with those extra buttons. More experienced healers however can dabble around with their toys and still have fun.

Unsurprisingly this ALSO applies to not only DPS buttons, but also our healing buttons. It is similarly reflected by your replies about how you handle your healing gameplay. Don't believe me? Here:

• Those "parsing obsessed raiders" plan to prevent emergencies. The two healers---pugs and/or static---plan to make sure majority bulk of healings are dealt with oGCDs (yes, including some mistake made) so they have can as much GCDs spent to cast Glaroilfisis. Succor/Medica II/Helioses/Cure II/Benefic II/Adlos are their readily available spell to use in case they run out of oGCDs and they -have- to use it to prevent deaths.
• Vs you who claimed to have done "EX/Savage" which are littered with plenty of random mistakes (which is already plain wrong) to the extent you have to plan to recover emergencies. You hold on to those tools for so long you'll probably drift or accumulate missed opportunities that you could've otherwise use to contribute more for your group. Oh and don't forget: you also openly admit that it wasn't your job to rely on your co-healer, which essentially gimps the overall group's capability whether you intend to or not. Your co-healer becomes uncertain how to work with you efficiently, increasing the likelihood of cases in wasting tools.

In other word, it doesn't matter even if SE gives us more healing button however potent or useful they are---if the said less experienced player simply do not care to improve... they won't. Your gameplay based on your replies are the living example to this.

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Why would I drift??? Why would I not just keep casting and simply once the broil is cast do r2 and weave some ogcd heals? Your post makes no sense to me. Look it’s this simple. Every new option of button will result in some variation made to the opener/rotation in some obnoxious way for optimal dps. It never fails, but by forcing healers to have a simple range of buttons to increase dps and just buffing the potency all is well.
What you want is 5 buttons for 500 potency opener
What SE is giving you is 1 button/2 for 480 opener. The extra 3 buttons of work isn’t worth it.

If this comes off as a straw man than so be it but you get my point. Only people who are bored healing don’t like healing really and should just play dps, they want big rotations, and big ways to optimize. Not to save lives/the raid constantly from mistakes or forced raidwide dmg.

[Aiscence]

I mean if you check, they are green at best in nm/first tier of last expac.

This expac there's never anything that ask to get the fairy in the first minute, you can literally pop her regen etc before dissipation if you are that scared, but like in o9s my healers -casted- 2 heals. Even w1/2, aoes and stuff werent hitting hard enough to kill you in both first fights, like in e9s here's the 1 min timeline:

00:16: aoe
00:26: clock position/ 2 people stack
00:36: the one that wasnt used^
00:47: tank buster

the first one is covered by whatever first shield spread, so in the end there's like 2 aoes to heal, which you know you have a co healer. But even better! let's look at e10s:

00:10: aoe
00:24: front/back - dodge
00:33: circle around the boss - dodge
00:40: Left/right - dodge
00:52: tank buster

Wow that was such an intense healing, you needed your fairy so bad there! Especially for the very first aoe that was spread shie.... oh wait. And dw ... e11s there's damage only after 18 seconds then the next one 30 seconds later.. did I tell you about the prepull spread btw?

Oh and you can see they are very scary savage mechanics too that no casual ever saw: tank buster, aoe, spread, stack, left/right/front/back, point blank aoe.

Bonus: as you can see, everything is scripted af, you never have to keep "anything" just in case, as nothing is random, especally if you are healing for 4 years you should have learnt that.

[Semirhage]

I'm having flashbacks to that kook in Heavensward who claimed that using HoTs was "cheating".

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I mean if you check, they are green at best in nm/first tier of last expac.

This expac there's never anything that ask to get the fairy in the first minute, you can literally pop her regen etc before dissipation if you are that scared, but like in o9s my healers -casted- 2 heals. Even w1/2, aoes and stuff werent hitting hard enough to kill you in both first fights, like in e9s here's the 1 min timeline:

00:16: aoe
00:26: clock position/ 2 people stack
00:36: the one that wasnt used^
00:47: tank buster

the first one is covered by whatever first shield spread, so in the end there's like 2 aoes to heal, which you know you have a co healer. But even better! let's look at e10s:

00:10: aoe
00:24: front/back - dodge
00:33: circle around the boss - dodge
00:40: Left/right - dodge
00:52: tank buster

Wow that was such an intense healing, you needed your fairy so bad there! Especially for the very first aoe that was spread shie.... oh wait. And dw ... e11s there's damage only after 18 seconds then the next one 30 seconds later.. did I tell you about the prepull spread btw?

Oh and you can see they are very scary savage mechanics too that no casual ever saw: tank buster, aoe, spread, stack, left/right/front/back, point blank aoe.

Bonus: as you can see, everything is scripted af, you never have to keep "anything" just in case, as nothing is random, especally if you are healing for 4 years you should have learnt that.

I know the sch openers and I know that if you WD/FI before dissipating you keep the effects circumventing the cd. But dumping all your AF aka almost 6 stacks on damage for ED is reckless in my eyes. 4 maybe but 6???

[Aiscence]

I know the sch openers and I know that if you WD/FI before dissipating you keep the effects circumventing the cd. But dumping all your AF aka almost 6 stacks on damage for ED is reckless in my eyes. 4 maybe but 6???

I mean, I showed you there's absolutely nothing that ask for it, what do you think, there's a magical random aoe that will appear in between the lines I sent?

[Melorie]

What I'm saying is that, its obvious that in higher content, or rather the better a player you are, gear etc that you will have to heal less. What I'm saying is I get that "raiders" are bored from broil spam, but the game isn't meant to just cater to raiders only type players, who are obsessed with their parsing in all content.

I never cleared a savage in my entire life, I can count on my fingers the extremes I've cleared, and I can't queue for roulette daily like I once did because I can't stand the glare spam. Even doing MsQ is a chore because I'm just spamming one button. You can't speak for all casuals, and you don't know if only people that raid are bored. I doubt the majority here are raiders, and regardless of that raiders should have their own voice in combat content since they're the ones actively taking part in it.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

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You know what doesn't make most sense?
Claiming to have experienced and/or done current EX & Savages; spouting nonsenses that you very likely have close to 0 idea what you're talking about in those contents, THEN revealed later on that you played no part in said contents. Do you realize how this impacts your posts credibility? This is basically like you accepting a piece of job that requires a certain degree of credential then shows up at work saying: "Teehee! I don't know what I'm actually doing! I just feel <insert opinion>!"

In the end we're just going round and round in circles; Nizzi's replies to you are the best without sounding really mean.

You can simply check their logs tbh

I mean if you check, they are green at best in nm/first tier of last expac.

I mean I did, quite a while ago when they're starting to spout those nonsense in other recently active threads. I could not believe what I saw.
Don't get me wrong: I really do not want to dismiss the possibility of players not logging however unlikely it is (Nizzi covered that sentiment really well in their replies), that's why I mentioned "99.99% sure". But now it's crystal clear they are just plain clueless.

Think I'll just watch the smokes goes higher from hereon

[Aword3213]

And it has been stated and proven several times that the more available buttons to press does -not- equal to making gameplay harder to less experienced players. This is what people had been calling 'raising skill ceiling'.

The skill ceiling on healers are already higher than other roles if you were to take some look at fflogs.

Less experienced will simply not care about optimizing their extra button potentials or probably won't even bother at all with those extra buttons. More experienced healers however can dabble around with their toys and still have fun.

Not true. As my pervious reply in this thread, less experienced healers do care about their dps. With current 1 button spam, they can at least contribute steady dps when they are not healing. You rarely see healers who don't care about dps even at the lower end of fflogs. They want to clear, just as you do. They contribute dps whenever they're not healing. Maybe healing in this game is realy difficult to some people. However, unlike many people here claimed, skill ceiling does exist for healers. By adding more offensive options, you are actually creating a bigger gap between healers. Though the gap itself is fine by me, more available buttons to press does equal to making gameplay harder to less experienced players. Less experienced healers do not mean they are all Sylphies.