SE FINALLY ANSWERED THE HEALERS COMMUNITY LONG ANSWERED QUESTION

[AFuzzyMu11in]

If you were under the assumption that Scholar didn't have a rotation, I've got some bad news for you. Scholar has a rotation too, and it involves using Energy Drain to dump 3 stacks via weaving, using Dissipation to get more, then dumping those stacks with weaving as well. Sage won't have as involved of a DPS rotation as Scholar does. In fact, even in Endwalker, Scholar's opener is probably going to stay the most DPS bursty of the four healers. I'm being genuine when I say what I said; Sage looks like it's the exact healer you've been waiting for.

Yeah but the opener is a noob trap since doing that can leave you open to not having aetherflow, you can do it without dissipation dump just with regular aetherflow dump and save dissipation stacks for shit that could go wrong.

[Nizzi]

Yeah but the opener is a noob trap since doing that can leave you open to not having aetherflow, you can do it without dissipation dump just with regular aetherflow dump and save dissipation stacks for shit that could go wrong.

"the opener is a noob trap"
How? If things are going so poorly within the first 60 seconds of a fight that you need to hold Dissipation, that means you've got your fairy, which means you can use Seraph, Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn, Aetherpact and you've got Recitation for crit Indom/Excog. Why did you not prepull Adlo + Deployment Tactics? You also have a cohealer who can be healing just as much as you can as well, if not more. If you're not concerned about DPS loss too (as you shouldn't be if things are going poorly) you've also got Emergency Tactics and GCD heals, and if you're concerned about DPS loss to that point, why are you playing the one healer that loses DPS for every aetherflow action not used on Energy Drain? There's a reason that SCH is considered a Chain+Soil bot right now, and that'ss because Soil is generally worth the DPS loss; but where are you needing to hold off using Dissipation when Recitation gives you Indom/Excog for free?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If you were under the assumption that Scholar didn't have a rotation, I've got some bad news for you. Scholar has a rotation too, and it involves using Energy Drain to dump 3 stacks via weaving, using Dissipation to get more, then dumping those stacks with weaving as well. Sage won't have as involved of a DPS rotation as Scholar does. In fact, even in Endwalker, Scholar's opener is probably going to stay the most DPS bursty of the four healers. I'm being genuine when I say what I said; Sage looks like it's the exact healer you've been waiting for.

To be fair, I wouldn’t say it’s bursty. It’s more akin to sustained damage considering that we cannot just do Broil IV + ED > Broil IV + ED because ED still has 3s cooldown or we’ll clip. If any it would be something like Broil IV + ED > Broil IV > Broil IV + ED, and so on.

Yeah but the opener is a noob trap since doing that can leave you open to not having aetherflow, you can do it without dissipation dump just with regular aetherflow dump and save dissipation stacks for shit that could go wrong.

For a main SCH, I’m surprised you’re not even accounting others tools they have in store beside AF related heals like endless fairy embrace, Whispering Dawn, 30 Fae Gauge (from dumping all into Energy Drain), Recitation, Seraph, Illumination into Dissipation, and your co-healer exist. Are you seriously thinking that you’re solo healing in raid encounters? Is your co-healer invisible to you?

There’s -a lot- of fearmongering from trying to justify the oversimplification choir.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

To be fair, I wouldn’t say it’s bursty. It’s more akin to sustained damage considering that we cannot just do Broil IV + ED > Broil IV + ED because ED still has 3s cooldown or we’ll clip. If any it would be something like Broil IV + ED > Broil IV > Broil IV + ED, and so on.



For a main SCH, I’m surprised you’re not even accounting others tools they have in store beside AF related heals like endless fairy embrace, Whispering Dawn, 30 Fae Gauge (from dumping all into Energy Drain), Recitation, Seraph, Illumination into Dissipation, and your co-healer exist. Are you seriously thinking that you’re solo healing in raid encounters? Is your co-healer invisible to you?

There’s -a lot- of fearmongering from trying to justify the oversimplification choir.

Its not my job to rely on my healer while I focus on "optimal dps" it's my job to keep my healing tools up and make sure that we are ready for shit hitting the fan, or worse if they die. I'm not fear mongering I'm saying it straight, dumping all your stacks is stupid and just pretending to be a dps when you don't need to do that, you can easily save stacks and dump them should the next flow come around. Trying to burst during CS windows at the risk of getting everyone killed is silly, and downright reckless if your not with some hardcore raiding static that never makes mistakes.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Riddle me this. If downtime activities are too haaaaaaaard if they require more than a single button press, as seems to be a reasonably common causal healer opinion, and uptime activities are too haaaaaaaard if they provide more than the minimum possible chance of failure, as Yoshida also seems to believe (since they "can't tune healing any tighter), what then can we conclude? That both the downtime and uptime activities of healers must be as dead easy as they can be while squeezing under the limbo bar that qualifies them as "gameplay" instead of "movie watching"? That healers have heads full of oatmeal and can't be trusted with real teamwork activities?

Pressing one button over and over again for the majority of an encounter is literally the worst design I have ever seen in a video game, without exaggeration. "But I like it" just tells me you don't actually enjoy video games, you'd rather watch a movie.

Or maybe it's just right? Spamming broil is extremely fun, it's a satisfying spell to land something like Jhin 4th shot, and once EW comes it won't be so boring for people like you since you can weave your optimal dps ED in it.

[Nizzi]

Its not my job to rely on my healer while I focus on "optimal dps" it's my job to keep my healing tools up and make sure that we are ready for shit hitting the fan, or worse if they die. I'm not fear mongering I'm saying it straight, dumping all your stacks is stupid and just pretending to be a dps when you don't need to do that, you can easily save stacks and dump them should the next flow come around. Trying to burst during CS windows at the risk of getting everyone killed is silly, and downright reckless if your not with some hardcore raiding static that never makes mistakes.

Serious question, do you do Savage?

[Sunhwapark]

Trying to burst during CS windows at the risk of getting everyone killed is silly, and downright reckless if your not with some hardcore raiding static that never makes mistakes.

You are being extremely dramatic, nobody is going to suddenly drop dead during a CS window and this is coming from someone who has been in PUGs since Heavensward.

Its not my job to rely on my healer while I focus on "optimal dps".

Healing in a raid is a collaborative effort, you should want to work together with your co-healer when resolving outgoing damage, and it provides the best opportunity for you both to deal "optimal dps". Sure, sometimes stuff hits the fan and that's ok - it happens, but it seems more like you just don't trust anybody except yourself.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Serious question, do you do Savage?

Yes if it’s worth it. But only when it’s worth it. So if savage is best gear at the time I’ll do it if it’s not no point idc.

[Semirhage]

Or maybe it's just right? Spamming broil is extremely fun, it's a satisfying spell to land something like Jhin 4th shot, and once EW comes it won't be so boring for people like you since you can weave your optimal dps ED in it.

"Spamming one spell over and over and over and over again is extremely fun"

I don't believe you. It's as close to the definition of tedium as anything I've ever seen. It's the antithesis of fun.

[Nizzi]

Yes if it’s worth it. But only when it’s worth it. So if savage is best gear at the time I’ll do it if it’s not no point idc.

What fights in any of the ShB tiers have you done that have had so much going wrong/going on mechanically in the first 60 seconds that you feel the need to hold Dissipation? Are you pugging via PF?
I've only ever pugged Savage and I've never had these problems within the first 60 seconds, especially when you need to be contributing as much DPS as you can within buff windows to ensure you're not hitting enrage at the end of a fight.