Asmongold on NSFW mods

[kaynide]

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

Similarly, real life interactions at like.. a baseball game or camp site aren't "rated" by anyone either, that doesn't mean everyone has license to go full perv when it suits them.

At camp, kids might see some adult behavior or hear some language...heck the guys in the next tent over might even be getting in on...but if they wanna go swim in the pool for an hour or two the first thing I think about should not be "oh man I hope some older perv doesn't try to touch my kids".

Like I'm saying with camp- it doesn't mean there can't be adult goings on...but it is the adult's responsibility to check they are engaging with an adult 100%. Ignorance is no excuse and "I didn't know he was a boy.. or that he was 13" would not hold up in any court of law.

[Caitlyn]

Tell that to a mother who child was abused by a stranger in a game because they couldn't control their urges. Why wouldn't it be emotional? Seriously the whole topic of adults not being careful with their needs is the problem here.

Are you that mother? Or the child? Do you even have children? This whole topic is about NSFW-mods, not a lawsuit against child molester. No need to be emotional.

And btw: that mother is free from guilt?

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

And it is. NSFW or ERP is not part of the main gameplay and its not public for everybody. Parents shouldnt control their kids. But its their job to raise their children. Online and offline. The internet is nothing totally new, so parents should know enough to teach their kids about it.

[Snorky]

Are you that mother? Or the child? Do you even have children? This whole topic is about NSFW-mods, not a lawsuit against child molester. No need to be emotional.

And btw: that mother is free from guilt?





And it is. NSFW or ERP is not part of the main gameplay and its not public for everybody. Parents shouldnt control their kids. But its their job to raise their children. Online and offline. The internet is nothing totally new, so parents should know enough to teach their kids about it.

That's none of your business to be honest, and the mods that dipict minors need to go. The erp community should be responsible enough to police themselves and keep it out of shared space period. Third party programs are against TOS according to SE. So tell me again what my personal life has to do with anything? I don't know who you think you are but you ain't all that.

[Ranaku]

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

A) Yes, there is something called laws and yes they even count online. Even if a parent doesn't watch his kids, if a kiddo gets molested there is a good chance that the molester gets a visit by the police.

B) What i read here is "Crimes happen all the time so they are alright and we should do nothing and everyone should just feel good about themself ducking that underaged person in the quicksand."

You are NOT and i repeat myself just to be clear >NOT< above the law just cause you do shit online. Your intentions doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the parents do. If you do stuff that is against the law none of these feble excuses you spit out here will protect you in front of a judge.

The amount of degeneracy in your posts is unbelievable.

[Caitlyn]

That's none of your business to be honest, and the mods that dipict minors need to go. The erp community should be responsible enough to police themselves and keep it out of shared space period. Third party programs are against TOS according to SE. So tell me again what my personal life has to do with anything? I don't know who you think you are but you ain't all that.

Obviously, you take this whole topic very personal. So before judging other people, you should stop projecting your irrational fears to random people from the internet. And stop blaming a whole community because of some weirdos. Would you blame the LGBT-Comm because of gay child molesters? I hope not.

Like its not my business about your private life, its none of your business what other people doing with theirs.
I m telling you, what your personal life has to do with anything. NOTHING. So keep your personal feelings out of this.

[Truen]

It's a non-issue. The internet is literally awash with porn...the game shouldn't wade into that quagmire and let people be people. I didn't even know this was a thing until recently and I've played for years. It's rather juvenile and dumb, but if that's what keeps people engaged then good for them.

[LianaThorne]

As true or not true that might be, it doesn't matter. It is against the law, no matter if you just imagine your characters doing it or yourself. And i speak here from a moral standpoint and law wise.

It is literally illegal to engage minors, in any way, with such stuff. No matter if it's roleplay or sexting or just shoving your uncovered tail into someones dms. There are no "grey" areas when it comes to that. Same as you can't say irl that you put a mario mask over the kiddo before molesting it and thus it's alright cause it was a male plumber in that scenario. All that might achieve is giving you an express ticket into the next loony bin.

And speaking from my personal standpoint, i know it's a complex topic and you can't just ban everything and this problem will probably never be able to be solved. But still, i think it's gross af that you (not you you, the erp player i mean) just doesn't care. Heck i would care a lot whom i'm about to duck.

I don't think ERP logs involving fictional characters in a fantasy world will hold up in a court....

And that's lovely that you care, people should. Thing is, when it's not real to people, they don't care. ERP does not always equal real sex to people because it's not real. It's fake between made up characters in a made up setting. There is a massive difference between ERP/online roleplay sex and real life intercourse...both physically and mentally for people.

[Ranaku]

Obviously, you take this whole topic very personal. So before judging other people, you should stop projecting your irrational fears to random people from the internet. And stop blaming a whole community because of some weirdos. Would you blame the LGBT-Comm because of gay child molesters? I hope not.

Like its not my business about your private life, its none of your business what other people doing with theirs.
I m telling you, what your personal life has to do with anything. NOTHING. So keep your personal feelings out of this.

Well at least the LGBTQ+ community speaks out against such stuff and distances itself from it. All i hear from the ERP community are excuses and "we can't do anything about it" or other really crazy mental gymnastics.

If you answer to "There is horrible stuff in your community going on" with "Oh yeah we can't do anything about it and you are puritan trash" then you are part of the problem.

[Caitlyn]

It's a non-issue. The internet is literally awash with porn...the game shouldn't wade into that quagmire and let people be people. I didn't even know this was a thing until recently and I've played for years. It's rather juvenile and dumb, but if that's what keeps people engaged then good for them.

It was never thing. Until Asmongold made it public and people are now losing their minds.
I m still unsure how we get from "Usage from NSFW mods" to "Child molester. Everywhere!"

Well at least the LGBTQ+ community speaks out against such stuff and distances itself from it. All i hear from the ERP community are excuses and "we can't do anything about it" or other really crazy mental gymnastics.

Oh! And you asked the ERP-community? Please tell me who and in which community or discord he/she is active.

[Truen]

It is a joint effort the parents are also at fault. Parents need to stop blaming others for their poor parenting. Teach your kid that's the lying has consequences some of which they cannot easily walk back from. Life is full of danger and authority figures can only do so much to protect you that includes parents. They need to teach kids that this world is dangerous and how they act and dress can have potential consequences and if they are uncomfortable with those consequences then do not wear or do x.

It is that simple too many people think oh horrible person did x it is all their fault but if you ask them what did they do to minimize the risk factors they often tell ya nothing. That is the problem and as another person shown it is a byproduct of being privileged. From an early age my parents told me the world can be a cruel place and the only person that will ever always be 100% on your side and be around all the time to protect you is yourself.

It is not victim blaming to point out that the victim could have protected themselves better.

The real world is not a daycare center it is not designed to protect everyone from everything we need to make up the difference. This reminds me of my neighbor during covid his packages were stolen and when I suggested he should get a camera system, his reply was why? People should not steal that is why we have laws etc . . . but if they had just put a camera they could have maybe made it easier for the proper authorities to do their job.

In short protecting yourself also makes it easier for the laws and rules to work more efficiently.

I actually disagree with that take. If the game is being platformed as something safe for kids, it better damn well be safe for kids. Now we can have the conversation about whether or 'this' particular issue constitutes a concern, but that's another point. However, if porn becomes directly accessible through mainstream avenues that people don't have to search for via 3rd party resources then that's a breach of the game's rating system and isn't something I'd want to defend in court if someone escalates issues to that level.

But, when someone signs up for their kid to play a game like this they don't expect their child to ever encounter "M" rated mature content. Blaming "parenting" is a rather hollow position if the community is working to corrupt, pervert, and/or expose people to things that aren't suited for a "T" for teen game.