Asmongold on NSFW mods

[Goji1639]

The adult player for engaging in such acts without realizing the responsibility they have not to do such things in a space in which they might encounter a underage player.

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

[kaynide]

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

Similarly, real life interactions at like.. a baseball game or camp site aren't "rated" by anyone either, that doesn't mean everyone has license to go full perv when it suits them.

At camp, kids might see some adult behavior or hear some language...heck the guys in the next tent over might even be getting in on...but if they wanna go swim in the pool for an hour or two the first thing I think about should not be "oh man I hope some older perv doesn't try to touch my kids".

Like I'm saying with camp- it doesn't mean there can't be adult goings on...but it is the adult's responsibility to check they are engaging with an adult 100%. Ignorance is no excuse and "I didn't know he was a boy.. or that he was 13" would not hold up in any court of law.

[Goji1639]

This was rated teen; it should be a safe space for teens to engage in.

Parents shouldn't have to helicopter-mom over every single thing their kids want to do if an entire country's rating board has deemed it acceptable for them to do it.

Similarly, real life interactions at like.. a baseball game or camp site aren't "rated" by anyone either, that doesn't mean everyone has license to go full perv when it suits them.

At camp, kids might see some adult behavior or hear some language...heck the guys in the next tent over might even be getting in on...but if they wanna go swim in the pool for an hour or two the first thing I think about should not be "oh man I hope some older perv doesn't try to touch my kids".

Like I'm saying with camp- it doesn't mean there can't be adult goings on...but it is the adult's responsibility to check they are engaging with an adult 100%. Ignorance is no excuse and "I didn't know he was a boy.. or that he was 13" would not hold up in any court of law.

The ratings board doesn't deem the online elements acceptable for your kid, though; it's literally stated on the rating that it doesn't apply to online interactions. It's your choice to ignore that and not supervise your kid, and then scream "NOT MY FAULT; GAME SAID T!" if something goes wrong. You're just making excuses to be a lazy parent.

Online isn't baseball or camp; you can't see who you're interacting with. There's no reasonable way to know if someone is lying, so you're not legally responsible for knowing if someone is lying. It's perfectly reasonable to expect parents to watch their kids, though; so your kids are actually your responsibility... Crazy concept, right?

[Awha]

The ratings board doesn't deem the online elements acceptable for your kid, though; it's literally stated on the rating that it doesn't apply to online interactions. It's your choice to ignore that and not supervise your kid, and then scream "NOT MY FAULT; GAME SAID T!" if something goes wrong. You're just making excuses to be a lazy parent.

Online isn't baseball or camp; you can't see who you're interacting with. There's no reasonable way to know if someone is lying, so you're not legally responsible for knowing if someone is lying. It's perfectly reasonable to expect parents to watch their kids, though; so your kids are actually your responsibility... Crazy concept, right?

Shh parents use video games as baby sitters do not burst their bubble.

[Ranaku]

You might encounter an underage person who's lying about their age absolutely anywhere on the internet, so what are you proposing? Is the entire internet completely off limits for adult activities?

And we need to stop with the "games rated T for Teen" line.

A) ESRB does not rate or regulate online interactions in games, as people have pointed out several times in this thread. Protection from bad online experiences has ALWAYS boiled down to personal responsibility; or in the case of kids parental responsibility.

B) It's common knowledge at this point that underage people are heavily involved in every single aspect of the internet; there's no actual difference between a T game and an M/AO game when it comes to the potential to run into a minor.

A) Yes, there is something called laws and yes they even count online. Even if a parent doesn't watch his kids, if a kiddo gets molested there is a good chance that the molester gets a visit by the police.

B) What i read here is "Crimes happen all the time so they are alright and we should do nothing and everyone should just feel good about themself ducking that underaged person in the quicksand."

You are NOT and i repeat myself just to be clear >NOT< above the law just cause you do shit online. Your intentions doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the parents do. If you do stuff that is against the law none of these feble excuses you spit out here will protect you in front of a judge.

The amount of degeneracy in your posts is unbelievable.

[Goji1639]

A) Yes, there is something called laws and yes they even count online. Even if a parent doesn't watch his kids, if a kiddo gets molested there is a good chance that the molester gets a visit by the police.

B) What i read here is "Crimes happen all the time so they are alright and we should do nothing and everyone should just feel good about themself ducking that underaged person in the quicksand."

You are NOT and i repeat myself just to be clear >NOT< above the law just cause you do shit online. Your intentions doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the parents do. If you do stuff that is against the law none of these feble excuses you spit out here will protect you in front of a judge.

The amount of degeneracy in your posts is unbelievable.

A) If the minor is pretending to be of age, and you have no reasonable way to know he's lying, it's not against the law to have an explicit conversation with him online.

B) It's only a crime if the ERP community KNOWS they're interacting with minors. If they don't know they didn't do anything wrong; that's not my opinion that's the actual legality of the situation.

You don't know the law, so quit making it the crux of your position here.

What's against the law is KNOWINGLY soliciting minors, and not a single person here has indicated that they're ok with that.

[Awha]

A) Yes, there is something called laws and yes they even count online. Even if a parent doesn't watch his kids, if a kiddo gets molested there is a good chance that the molester gets a visit by the police.

B) What i read here is "Crimes happen all the time so they are alright and we should do nothing and everyone should just feel good about themself ducking that underaged person in the quicksand."

You are NOT and i repeat myself just to be clear >NOT< above the law just cause you do shit online. Your intentions doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the parents do. If you do stuff that is against the law none of these feble excuses you spit out here will protect you in front of a judge.

The amount of degeneracy in your posts is unbelievable.

Laws are not absolute so why believe in them absolutely? This mindset is confusing for me though it might just because I grew up in an rural area and my parents taught me the system does not offer absolute protection from all the horrors of the world. As such justice is rarely ever granted to many. Especially in cases with child molestation my mother was a prosecutor and the reality is that often times many cases did not end up to court. Due to police letting their emotions get the better of them and cutting corners or no physical evidence can often be found and testimony from a child victim are generally viewed as un reliable their story changes details get altered and or their desire to please adults poison their testimony. Among other reasons, so question remains why trust the law with such a thing?

Crimes do happen you are right and because of such why not do more to mitigate the potential risk on a personal level?

I actually disagree with that take. If the game is being platformed as something safe for kids, it better damn well be safe for kids. Now we can have the conversation about whether or 'this' particular issue constitutes a concern, but that's another point. However, if porn becomes directly accessible through mainstream avenues that people don't have to search for via 3rd party resources then that's a breach of the game's rating system and isn't something I'd want to defend in court if someone escalates issues to that level.

But, when someone signs up for their kid to play a game like this they don't expect their child to ever encounter "M" rated mature content. Blaming "parenting" is a rather hollow position if the community is working to corrupt, pervert, and/or expose people to things that aren't suited for a "T" for teen game.

What your saying would be true in an ideal world but unfortunately that is not the case. Sure it is rated for T so people should act accordingly but that is not the case and to expect it be so is extremely naive and dangerous in the case of a parent. This is the real world not a bubble.