Pulling During Cutscene

[Kolaina]

Tank runs in. Healer doesn’t follow. Tank and potentially dps who followed die. Healer states was waiting for cs. Knowing full well the result, and acknowledging they intentionally stayed out of fight. Go ahead, take that risk goji. Its your account, not mine. But I will go in and help my team. THAT is what I signed up for

[Goji1639]

Tank runs in. Healer doesn’t follow. Tank and potentially dps who followed die. Healer states was waiting for cs. Knowing full well the result, and acknowledging they intentionally stayed out of fight. Go ahead, take that risk goji. Its your account, not mine. But I will go in and help my team. THAT is what I signed up for

It's not a risk. In terms of how "against the ToS" that is, it's basically like saying "sorry, got a phone call" after the tank and DPS die. If the intent of your brief non-participation isn't to grief your team then you're fine.

If helping the tank make the new player feel uncomfortable is what you signed up for, then do your thing. Don't perpetuate the self-serving lie that deciding to wait for the new player is against the ToS, though, because it's not.

[Kolaina]

It's not a risk. In terms of how "against the ToS" that is, it's basically like saying "sorry, got a phone call" after the tank and DPS die. If the intent of your brief non-participation isn't to grief your team then you're fine.

If helping the tank make the new player feel uncomfortable is what you signed up for, then do your thing. Don't perpetuate the self-serving lie that deciding to wait for the new player is against the ToS, though, because it's not.

So you will lie. Shows all I need to know about your character

[Goji1639]

So you will lie. Shows all I need to know about your character

Lie about what?

Goji, choosing to not participate is griefing the people who did. It's not the same as getting a phone call. You are CHOOSING to not participate to make yourself feel better.

Umm, me answering my phone is me choosing not to participate. It's fine, though, because the intention of my choice to not participate wasn't to grief my team.

It's the same with the cut scene; if your intention is only to wait until everyone is ready. Like, for instance, if you're in an EX raid and half a ready check doesn't pass, but a DPS runs in and pulls the boss anyways. No one's obligated to run in with him.

[MaxCarnage]

Lie about what?


Umm, me answering my phone is me choosing not to participate. It's fine, though, because the intention of my choice to not participate wasn't to grief my team.

It's the same with the cut scene; if your intention is only to wait until everyone is ready. Like, for instance, if you're in an EX raid and half a ready check doesn't pass, but a DPS runs in and pulls the boss anyways. No one's obligated to run in with him.

Goji, being afk 'cause you're answering the phone does not, in any way, equate to being at your computer, or holding your controller, and not pressing your buttons. Outside influences are excusable. Real life will always come before a game. But if you are not pressing your buttons because you want it to be "fair" for cutscene viewers, and you put yourself on this righteous pedestal, that is reportable. Ty.

So, if I get up and walk away from my keyboard to do something while waiting it won't be reportable then?

You're adding caveats to the rules that don't exist. Maybe I was at my keyboard but got momentarily distracted chatting with my FC; not bannable.

Whether or not it's breaking the ToS depends 100% on intent; not your proximity to a controller or keyboard, or whether your reasons for not participating exist inside or outside of the game.

What are you trying to prove here, Goji? Are we going to talk in circles all day? Sure, there are loopholes to be in the clear for sabotaging. And if you go to those lengths to get around getting in trouble for purposefully not participating, it really shows what kind of person you are. Not participating when someone pulls, not playing the job you queued up for, is griefing. It is reportable. It has gotten people banned. But sure, you're the good guy. Keep moral grandstanding. I really see what that person was calling you out for.

[Goji1639]

Goji, being afk 'cause you're answering the phone does not, in any way, equate to being at your computer, or holding your controller, and not pressing your buttons. Outside influences are excusable. Real life will always come before a game. But if you are not pressing your buttons because you want it to be "fair" for cutscene viewers, and you put yourself on this righteous pedestal, that is reportable. Ty.

So, if I get up and walk away from my keyboard to do something while waiting it won't be reportable then?

You're adding caveats to the rules that don't exist. Maybe I was at my keyboard but got momentarily distracted chatting with my FC; not bannable.

Whether or not it's breaking the ToS depends 100% on intent; not your proximity to a controller or keyboard, or whether your reasons for not participating exist inside or outside of the game.

Yep, which is why admitting to intentionally 'disrupting' the gameplay experience for other players probably will and has gotten players banned, while I doubt players are getting banned for saying "sorry have to afk". However, "waiting"' for a player can be viewed as intent to be disruptive, because a player who is willfully not participating in content - and stating such - is disrupting the gameplay experience for the player(s) who pulled.

Saying, "sorry have to afk" is still willfully not participating in the content and stating such, though. The key is stating your actual intention to disrupt the group in chat. Announcing you let someone die because you don't like them would be actionable. Saying you were just waiting for a new player to catch up wouldn't be.

[SturmChurro]

So, if I get up and walk away from my keyboard to do something while waiting it won't be reportable then?

You're adding caveats to the rules that don't exist. Maybe I was at my keyboard but got momentarily distracted chatting with my FC; not bannable.

Whether or not it's breaking the ToS depends 100% on intent; not your proximity to a controller or keyboard, or whether your reasons for not participating exist inside or outside of the game.

If a player were to "wait" specifically due to a pull in a cutscene, and willfully not participate, seeing as others have apparently gotten banned for specifically 3.2, it is against the ToS. The problem is proving the intent to be 'disruptive'.

[Kolaina]

Now who’s gaslighting? Goji never said they would lie about a phone call. They said it’s no different than if you got a phone call. By the way disparaging another poster because they disagree with you is rude. Don’t forget that.

There is nothing in the TOS about failure to participate. If there is then please point it out. Further waiting for the whole team to be ready before participating is not griefing. Abuse of the report function however is. So feel free to risk your accounts reporting those people.

Should I show u my own ban message for failing to participate because of waiting for someone? Yes they did claim to make an excuse for not participating. Thought you were done with this thread trobon? Didn’t last long

[Trobon]

Should I show u my own ban message for failing to participate because of waiting for someone? Yes they did claim to make an excuse for not participating. Thought you were done with this thread trobon? Didn’t last long

Yeah go ahead. Show me that ban message. I’d really love to see it. Especially where it says because you waited for someone. Also I thought you were against being rude on this thread, guess we both said things we didn’t end up following.

[Kolaina]

Yeah go ahead. Show me that ban message. I’d really love to see it. Especially where it says because you waited for someone. Also I thought you were against being rude on this thread, guess we both said things we didn’t end up following.

Its not rude because it is something that you disagree with. Tell me how to show you. How to put screen shot from ps5 to here?