Pulling During Cutscene

[Goji1639]

I mean, why do you assume it's someone forcing others? Why do you assume no one wants them to pull because someone might be in cutscene? Most groups I run into just want to get in and out fast, so if a tank or healer runs into the boss room, they follow. I think in 4-man content it's polite to wait on cutscenes, yes, but I'm not going to throw a big hissy fit like a lot of y'all if someone pulls before the cutscener is out - and I'm definitely not going to abandon my job I queued for just because some people on a forum think it's the 'moral high ground' to actively sabotage a boss pull.

Then again, I'm talking to a guy who follows around anyone who's ever so much as told him his egotistical manchild way of playing the game and treating other players is wrong, to basically every thread they post in. Dunno what I expect out of you, Goji. You're probably the best example of egotistical and selfish toxicity I've ever seen on these forums, so you really don't have much ground to be moral grandstanding on.

Either way, comes down to this: refusing to do your job in content you queued for is reportable. Someone pulling the boss - accidentally, intentionally, whatever - before everyone in a dungeon or raid is out of cutscene isn't. That's just the facts, regardless of what people think about doing so.

I don't assume anything, and that's the point. The only person that's making an assumption is the tank who pulled the boss during a cutscene and expected everyone else to just fall in line with his decision. All anyone is saying is that pulling during a cutscene is rude and you shouldn't do it. Apparently people feeling that way is prompting you to throw a "hissy fit."

Also, not sure why you're making up a bunch of crap about me. I've never followed around anyone and harassed them about old discussions. Plenty of people here seem to like to do that to me, but that's definitely not my style.

Finally, it's not reportable because they're not refusing to do their job. They're just waiting for the entire party to be ready before engaging, which isn't against the rules.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I don't assume anything, and that's the point. The only person that's making an assumption is the tank who pulled the boss during a cutscene and expected everyone else to just fall in line with his decision. All anyone is saying is that pulling during a cutscene is rude and you shouldn't do it. Apparently people feeling that way is prompting you to throw a "hissy fit."

Also, not sure why you're making up a bunch of crap about me. I've never followed around anyone and harassed them about old discussions. Plenty of people here seem to like to do that to me, but that's definitely not my style.

Finally, it's not reportable because they're not refusing to do their job. They're just waiting for the entire party to be ready before engaging, which isn't against the rules.

You do like to assume anyone who disagrees with your bad takes is throwing a hissy fit, don't you? Dunno bud, I don't see me screaming and throwing my fists or slinging insults towards people who think it's fine if pulls occur before everyone's out of a cutscene. Is it rude? Sure, a little. But not something I feel is as big a deal as people in this thread make it out to be, and certainly not worth sabotaging a boss pull or cursing out the puller in typical GCBTW fashion.

You did very much assume that a tank pulling a boss before one person is out of cutscenes was forcing the party to do something, though. Now that someone pointed it out, you backpedal and claim you don't assume anything, except of the tank pulling. As you tend to do; your go-to during disagreements is gaslighting the other side to try and make yourself look better on a singular post basis. You are not really subtle in the way you act towards people or how often you show up in threads where the same few posters post in. That as well as all your prior behavior and words are why people bring up your old takes. Because they show a pattern in the way you think and approach other people.

And it definitely is reportable. But by all means, try it yourself. Enjoy the GM calls when you get reported for refusing to do the job you signed up for content with.

I added my own take on the thread topic, though, and I'm definitely not interested in having one of your usual circular "discussions", so have fun with the echo chamber my dude.

[Goji1639]

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Eh, an entire paragraph of your previous post was insulting me, so yea, you're kind of throwing a fit. I haven't insulted you once, however.

Also, I didn't assume anything. A tank pulling is attempting to force the parties hand. They started the lockdown timer and engaged the boss without consulting anyone, assuming everyone else would just fall in line and back them up. These are facts.

And finally, it's not reportable. I mean, I guess you can technically report anything, but it's not against the ToS. Non-participation with the intention of griefing the party is against the ToS. Non-participation because you're AFK, distracted or waiting for the entire party to be ready is fine.

Go ahead and report people for everything that can be interpreted as not participating, though, regardless of intention. You'll probably just get your own account actioned for abusing the report function.

[TaleraRistain]

And it definitely is reportable. But by all means, try it yourself. Enjoy the GM calls when you get reported for refusing to do the job you signed up for content with.

Except it isn't. Because if you're going to make the argument that remaining outside the arena when others have rushed in is reportable, then so are some other situations. Like the person who is on their way but doesn't get there as fast. They're outside the arena when others are inside. Obviously they are shirking their responsibilities. Or the person who stays behind (especially in Prae) when others rush ahead to make sure new folks know where to go. They're not rushing ahead with the others and participating in all the trash fights, so of course they're refusing to do their job. Or how about when I died on a boss, the tank paid no attention, pulled the next pack of trash while I was still returning (because SE has no concept of what shortcut really means) and died because I wasn't there to heal them. Well, obviously I should have learned to teleport so I could be right there and shame on me for not doing my job because I wasn't there.

Goji is right on this one. The ToS clause is directly related to griefing. Because if it wasn't, then just falling behind would be reportable. The person waiting for someone in a cutscene isn't griefing. They are remaining with the new party member just like someone guiding new folks in Prae and intend to join the rest of the party with the new person so they can both participate. Good luck finding a GM in this game who would *ever* find being kind and considerate to sprouts something to be punished for.