Pulling During Cutscene

[MaxCarnage]

I want to preface this by stating that although I am speaking from experience, I am not speaking as the puller, simply as a bystander who has defended pulling during cutscene before.

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t. And no, I’m not naïve, either. I want to know, though, what you think of it.

As it stands, my thoughts are this:

Pulling during cutscene doesn’t matter. At all. It does not kick the watcher out of cutscene, and it’s not like they miss any important mechanics, either. Because one [1] they’re either going to run the content at hand again, so they will be able to see the mechanic they missed, or two [2] they’re never going to run that content again. So again, why does it matter?

And then you have the “good guys”, let’s call them. The people who will get absolutely vitriolic with you because how dare you be impatient and not wait for the cutscene watcher. It doesn’t matter if you’ve run this content a million times. It doesn’t matter how old it may be. The fact of the matter is you pulled during a cutscene and therefore you are the worst human being alive and deserve to be shunned by the rest of the ~community~.

I’m not even being hyberbolic, here. I have seen people call out pullers by name and try and get everyone else to attack them as well. But it’s okay, because these people are the heroes and the puller is the villain! Pay no mind to the harassment and threats they are dishing out because they’re doing it to “defend” a new person. I have seen people call pullers “toxic trash”, spewing expletives about how awful a person they are, trying to rally the other members of the alliance to blacklist and report. Like, hello? How is that okay? You may not agree with pulling during cutscene, but to verbally attack someone who does is not and never will be okay.

I have mentioned before that not everyone has all the time in the world to wait for everyone to watch every cutscene. And in response, I had people telling me that “if [my] time is so important, maybe [I] shouldn’t play.” Or, here’s a thought, because my free time is so limited, I want to actually, y’know... enjoy it?

The argument is always along the lines of pulling during cutscene “ruins” players experiences. Well, on the other side of that, maybe waiting for cutscene for every single piece of content, and getting reemed out by the general public if you don’t conform also ruins players’ experiences. Is it not hypocritical to become the toxic person you’re claiming the puller to be? How does that make you the hero?

This is my first forum post. But I am not stranger to the forums, I do expect to be attacked by these same “good guys” I’m talking about. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

[znushu]

I don’t understand why this is an issue.

it's because it's nice too let them finish the Cutscene first before you pull

[SpanishInkwehsitor]

it's because it's nice too let them finish the Cutscene first before you pull

Monster shows up/lands, roars, battle swirl/fade effect.

You now saw 90% of the cutscenes.

We finally need the definitve solution for that - you cant attack a boss if someone is watching his cutscene and make the first time unskippable so ppl cant force you, also increase the penalty if someone leaves within 10 min when someone new is there.

Turning every dungeon into Praetorium is a good way to get folks to stop using Roulette.

[Trobon]

Monster shows up/lands, roars, battle swirl/fade effect.

You now saw 90% of the cutscenes.

Except for the ones that aren't like this where you never know its going to be like that as a new player. If those are 90% of the cutscenes though then there shouldn't be an issue with making them unskippable right? Why not just have all duty cutscenes be unskippable now?

Turning every dungeon into Praetorium is a good way to get folks to stop using it.

Again, if 20+ minutes of cutscenes don't stop people from using MSQ DF then I seriously doubt it will stop people from using the other ones. There's not a more efficient way for people to level up so they aren't going to stop using it because they have to watch cutscenes.

[Moonlite]

Again, if 20+ minutes of cutscenes don't stop people from using MSQ DF then I seriously doubt it will stop people from using the other ones. There's not a more efficient way for people to level up so they aren't going to stop using it because they have to watch cutscenes.

That is just it. You said it most efficient way. SE has not adjusted for every CS in the game. Take away that giant bonus and what would MSQ DF get. First time player bonus is garbage. And I have not seen it since ARR, but I am very careful about pulling with CS. I have seen people get glitched in several dungeons where they can't cross the line into the boss room, not even after the boss is killed. Nothing like ruining a persons run by making them do it over because they can't exit properly.

[Roeshel]

There's not a more efficient way for people to level up so they aren't going to stop using it because they have to watch cutscenes.

You are mad af, do you know how much time everyone will have to waste to entertain your idea of unskippable cutscenes everywhere? It's not happening ever.

Again, if 20+ minutes of cutscenes don't stop people from using MSQ DF then I seriously doubt it will stop people from using the other ones.

Talk about being ignorant. One hour of cutscenes does stop people from using MSQ. It's just the number of people who are still using it to level up their classes passively is never-ending. It is no coincidence why some people have multiple classes level 80 and are playing worse than a sprout when it comes to AoE and ST rotation. They simply haven't played the game, they've been watching cutscenes.

What is the correct people?

It's up to you to decide.

[Trobon]

Talk about being ignorant. One hour of cutscenes does stop people from using MSQ. It's just the number of people who are still using it to level up their classes passively is never-ending.

I don’t think you even know what you’re trying to say here any more. DR is pretty much only used to level up people’s characters and will continue to be used for that. So yeah even if you for a minute long cutscenes in a leveling dungeon there will be and endless stream of people using them to level alternate jobs. MSQ roulette proves this. You can sit there and pretend it’s going to be the end of DR all day long but as long as people get good experience for doing DR they will continue to use it.

You’re whole tirade about players only using MSQ to level makes absolutely zero sense since that’s all people are using most of the DRs for as it is.

You’re argument boils down to even though people use MSQ to level they will stop using leveling dungeon roulette to level if we force 20-60 second cutscenes on them which is frankly ridiculous. They were the same arguments people used when unskippable MSQ was introduced and here we are. Turns out people will sit through cutscenes if they get rewarded for it. Fear mongering about people stopping the use of DR doesn’t really work when we’ve seen an extreme example otherwise.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Turning every dungeon into Praetorium is a good way to get folks to stop using Roulette.

and yet people still run MSQ roulette despite 30mins of forced cutscenes. Shocker. No doubt they'll stop queueing for leveling roulette by the thousands for 20s of forced cutscenes! /s

Besides, it wouldn't change anything if cutscenes were made unskippable. People love their roulette rewards. Especially since with such a change, it wouldn't matter if they used a roulette or hard-que'd a dungeon; there'd be forced cutscenes all the time no matter what, so might as well go with the option that gives the giant bonus.

Besides, as you pointed out, 90% of dungeons, for the newbie to watch the terrifying monster swoop in and roar it would tack on 10s to the run. The horror.
and for the remaining 10%, those are MSQ cutscenes like the ones in Stone Vigil & Thousands maws and thus the sprout should get the opportunity to watch them without being bothered or pressured lest they miss out on the fight.

[Vahlnir]

It is usually a common courtesy to let others finish their cutscenes before pulling anything. That is why it's an issue. When you are in a group setting, the world stops revolving around you.